15yo Son on Ray Peat Protocol

alfredoolivas

engineer

It appears as though progesterone works best in the 3-9mg range, as anything higher becomes sedative:

https://www.lowtoxinforum.com/threads/i-get-it-progesterone-is-finally-working-for-me-as-a-man.22721/

So, 9mg is probably fine if there aren't any negative effects visible. I use everything else you mentioned except 11-keto-dht, plus 6-keto-p4, which is an obscure hormone that appears to only block cortisol, leading to lower muscle breakdown, stress, and aging in general:

https://lowtoxinforum.com/threads/6-keto-p4-liquid-6-ketoprogesterone-for-lab-r-d.24968/

It's actually my favorite Idealabs supplement because of how well it works at knocking down cortisol!

williambjr

@alfredoolivas no ,98 as in 0,98.

williambjr

@engineer Yes i was thinking of getting it for myself and a bottle for him too. Thank you for the help! Do you Think his androsterone+gonadin would be preferred over 11ketodht?

alfredoolivas

@williambjr You are probably going to supress his height by giving him such a high dose of T3. He is making enough, DHEA, preg and progesterone too, they are the youth hormones.

I assume you are wealthy too because you have found a supportive doctor, of this treatment, which frankly, is child abuse according to the law. If you are wealthy, or not even, I would look into growth hormone treatment - pharma grade or underground grade.

BioEclectic

Check out the probiotic mentioned in @lobotomize 's thread from a couple of weeks ago:

https://bioenergetic.forum/topic/9002/growing-taller-potential-studies

B. lactis BL-11

Bifidobacterium animalis subsp. lactis BL-11 promotes height growth in children.<<

Personally i'd be wary of certain hormones and certain less studied substances. Less would be more for a teenager in good health. Certain other things do come to mind though like calcium, k2, boron ( very low dose or in foods), D3, mag.

And almost forgot, yes, be sure to keep a doctor in the loop.

williambjr

@BioEclectic all of these i give to him.

williambjr

@alfredoolivas I am taking him to get bloodwork soon and looking at t3, rt3 and t4 his tsh Isnt low its just slightly. Peat recommended pregnenlone and t3 in another developing male to “extend” growing years and get rid of estrogen.

williambjr

@BioEclectic thank you I was thinking of buying penicillin for him as he has slight acne.

alfredoolivas

@williambjr yeah but 75mcg is wayyyyy too much for a 15 year old. It's probably catabolic at those doses

williambjr

@alfredoolivas no 25mcg split 3x daily

Peatful

Hello

Terrible advice here
Sorry

He is not eating enough
And taking too many supplements

Peating is about mitochondrial respiration
About a youthful metabolism

Let him eat freely
No PUFA
Again
I can’t emphasize this enough
Let him eat abundantly
A healthy appetite

Not restricted
No orthorexia
And at 15
No exogenous hormones

engineer

@Peatful said in 15yo Son on Ray Peat Protocol:

No exogenous hormones

Without any more information this is FUD. Its possible to have not enough of a certain hormone even if you're otherwise very healthy and pro metabolic.

DavidPS

Is your son obsese? If yes, Niacin 500mg q1h significantly lowered serum FFA and increased GH in children with obesity.

A Pilot Study of the Effects of Niacin Administration on Free Fatty Acid and Growth Hormone Concentrations in Children with
Obesity

sunsunsun

@DavidPS 500mg q1h × 4 doses

DavidPS

@sunsunsun

williambjr

@Peatful i let him eat as much as he wants. I just didnt mention it

williambjr

@DavidPS no 188cm 82kg

Peatful

@williambjr said in 15yo Son on Ray Peat Protocol:

@Peatful i let him eat as much as he wants. I just didnt mention it

Perfect