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    • engineerE Offline
      engineer @alfredoolivas
      last edited by engineer

      @alfredoolivas really, so why does Haidut say progesterone is anabolic

      Edit: iirc it's an stronger antagonist than even testosterone

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        sunsunsun @alfredoolivas
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        @alfredoolivas wut…

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          sunsunsun
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          i value kuinone way higher as its a reasonably priced way of getting what i think is legit k2 mk4 premixed . ive taken big doses and felt what i think are too much estrogen suppression , as well as liver detox effects

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            alfredoolivas @sunsunsun
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            @sunsunsun @engineer
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              engineer @alfredoolivas
              last edited by engineer

              @alfredoolivas yeah, well, Wikipedia might be fake news here

              https://lowtoxinforum.com/threads/the-anti-cortisol-mechanism-of-progesterone.14590/

              "...Cortisol binds both the glucocorticoid receptor and the mineralo corticoid receptor; progesterone binds both the progesterone receptor and the glucocorticoid receptor, for which it is an antagonist."

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                alfredoolivas @engineer
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                @engineer If it were anti cortisol, we would see reductions in amino transferases such as ALT, AALP and GGT. They don't and may even increase it.

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                  engineer @alfredoolivas
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                  @alfredoolivas so is Haidut's referenced study bogus?

                  another one:

                  https://www.lowtoxinforum.com/threads/the-anabolic-effects-of-progesterone.16381/

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                    alfredoolivas @engineer
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                    @engineer It certainly isn't 85% as anabolic as methyltestosterone. Perhaps rodents convert progesterone into androgens via the backdoor pathway more than human

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                      engineer @alfredoolivas
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                      @alfredoolivas does this have implications for 6-keto? If so, are there any other good GR antagonists comparable in safety to prog/6kprog?

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                        alfredoolivas @engineer
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                        @engineer most steroids are really shitty at blocking the GR. Even trenbolone is a poor functional antagonist. Androgens exhibit their anti glucocorticoid effects by blocking the transport of the GR receptor to the nucleous.

                        Methyltrenbolone has the highest affinity iirc. It has such a long half life that it will constantly block it's receptor against the nanogram amounts of cortisol being produced every second.

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                          engineer @alfredoolivas
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                          @alfredoolivas the big problem with all the trenbolone family members is the nasty secondary effects

                          https://lowtoxinforum.com/threads/trenbolone-experiences-log.37957

                          It sounds so good to have that much cortisol blocking but it otherwise isn't Peaty

                          Or is methyl tren different?

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                            engineer @alfredoolivas
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                            @alfredoolivas hold on, since DHT is highly androgenic, doesnt that mean it would be anabolic as well? 11-keto is more resistant to metabolism so maybe it has a significant effect here? It appears as though 12 drops per day of 11-keto-DHT would cost the same as 25 drops of 6-keto-p4.

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                              heyman
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                              Meldonium is wayyyyy better than pyrucet

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                                engineer @heyman
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                                @heyman said in Idealabs Supplements Review:

                                Meldonium is wayyyyy better than pyrucet

                                what has Ray Peat said about it?

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                                  alfredoolivas @engineer
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                                  @engineer It gets deactivated in muscle tissue. Even methylated DHT, mestanalone, which is resistant to metabolism, was classed as androgenic and not very anabolic

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                                    engineer @alfredoolivas
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                                    @alfredoolivas now, even though it isn't directly anabolic, could it assist in achieving that goal by lowering cortisol and prolactin?

                                    https://lowtoxinforum.com/threads/11-keto-dht-adrenosterone-derivative-for-lab-r-d-use.11922/post-164238

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                                      alfredoolivas @engineer
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                                      @engineer I think prolactin is anabolic, if i remember correctly. It probably lowers cortisol via reduced AcTH

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                                        engineer @alfredoolivas
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                                        @alfredoolivas cite some studies

                                        I can't find anything saying prolactin is positive in anything but thymus regeneration and dopamine suppression/serotonin production

                                        https://www.lowtoxinforum.com/threads/prolactin-is-a-good-biomarker-for-serotonin-estrogen-activity.3594/

                                        https://x.com/BerbarianWizard/status/2009547543697383455

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                                        • alfredoolivasA Offline
                                          alfredoolivas @engineer
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                                          @engineer I just knows it rises along with growth hormone

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                                            alfredoolivas @engineer
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                                            @engineer Hypoprolactenmia, which can be achieved easily via caber use etc, is really bad though.

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