Defanging your computer
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It's crazy how much more energetic and clear minded I feel after being on my e-ink screen all day instead of a normal screen. I think the light killing your dopamine is a huge deal.
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I'll look into this as I've been studying much more using a computer. Although I might just use a tablet Instead of a laptop.
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@insufferable Thanks. I liked this post
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I don't really understand the details but I feel intuitively that Weird Light vs Real Light is one of the most important things.
LED lights, computer screens, and flourescent lights are all shooting into your head, most vulnerably through your eyes, and directly destroying dopamine stuff.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32142863/
Sunlight, incandescent bulbs, firelight all bathe your neurons in a revitalizing glow.
I think looking into a bright screen is the biggest disaster of all, second is having flourescent light in your eyes, third is having LED light in your eyes, and the fourth worst would be having your head, neck, or other sensitive areas exposed to these lights, independent from eye exposure.
I don't want to get pinned down to just "it's the blue light that's bad." There's just something incredibly Wrong with these unnatural lights, beyond the red/blue thing. Very sensitive people on the ledstrain forum talk about how they wear red glasses, deal with the light flicker problem, and still they get terrible migraines and so on from their screens and modern lights. Then they step outside into daylight and look at the sky and it's an immediate calming cure. I don't want to get hung up on what the technical differences are between looking at the sky and looking at a screen or an LED. They're vastly different objects, of course they have very different effects. I believe you could have a blue-blocked, red-dominant, truly flicker-free LED light and you would still be messed up by staring into it or even lighting your house with it. (I'm sure it would be an improvement over flickering blue LED's though, I won't deny that)
I have only incandescent lights over my head and an e-ink screen. I get only a few minutes per day on average of looking into an LCD. I had to put a cardboard shield in front of the stupid LCD screen in my car to accomplish this.
My iphone screen actually feels less harmful to the eye than my laptop screen. Maybe it doesn't flicker so much. But I'm sure it's very bad too. I really only need a small amount of iphone time sprinkled through the day. It takes 5 seconds to text, maybe you send 50 texts, that's like 4 minutes total per day, broken into very brief exposures.
I try to look at the world outside as much as possible (hours). Sit at a window and you have daylight and naturally lit real objects in your peripheral vision all day. By propping my e-ink screen next to the window I can get the outside scene to be 80% of what's in my eyes.
I also think it would be wise to have a candle, fire, sunset, or similar glowing orange "real" object (not glaringly bright or unpleasant in any way though) in your eyes for hours in the evening. I think this revitalizes the brain. It certainly feels good.
Maybe even a natural textured object like wood or wool, lit by incandescent light above it, would have a similar effect. The wool absorbs and glows with the warm real light hitting it and you look at that. I'm thinking intuitively of how I feel looking at different things. Warm textured wood with a halogen light over it is extremely pleasing and calming to look at.
I think that light (even incandescent) bouncing off shiny plastic into your eyes may be slightly harmful. I think that looking into light in any way is probably not good. Lampshades make a glowing object rather than a shining glaring thing. I don't think bare bulbs should be in your field of view too much.
I think you should follow your instinct whether you want to look at incandescent lit scenes or the blue sky. I feel inclined towards one or the other at different times. I'd think we should mostly be looking at the cooler outdoor scenes in the day, with a few hours of the warm scenes at night.
Since implementing these Light Protocols (the e-ink screen was the kingpin) I've felt a huge change across my life. Huge decrease in procrastination, huge increase in energy, mood, mental quickness, and physical resilience. There appears to be a metabolism boost and even gum sensitivity and digestion are improved. My sleep quality is excellent and I seem to need a bit less sleep. I bet I now have 1/10 the risk of getting dementia compared to the norm.
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@insufferable Have you tried using a small grounding mat while you are on the computer?
Theoretically, it would be a great way to get some grounding time in but I am concerned about how it might interact with multiple electronics nearby.
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@insufferable said in Defanging your computer:
My iphone screen actually feels less harmful to the eye than my laptop screen. Maybe it doesn't flicker so much. But I'm sure it's very bad too. I really only need a small amount of iphone time sprinkled through the day. It takes 5 seconds to text, maybe you send 50 texts, that's like 4 minutes total per day, broken into very brief exposures.
You can use programs like scrcpy to control your phone with the computer.
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@insufferable said in Defanging your computer:
Light and the dopamine it does or doesn't stimulate is also responsible for near-sightedness. Outdoor light stimulates dopamine in the eye, which for some reason is what prevents the elongation of the eyeball which is the reason for near-sightedness. (myopia)
Also do you have a source for this, dopamine preventing elongation of the eye? We need to test out dopamanergic eyedrops
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@insufferable said in Defanging your computer:
I don't want to get pinned down to just "it's the blue light that's bad." There's just something incredibly Wrong with these unnatural lights, beyond the red/blue thing. Very sensitive people on the ledstrain forum talk about how they wear red glasses, deal with the light flicker problem, and still they get terrible migraines and so on from their screens and modern lights
On the old forum there is a thread called "nothing in life comes free", it might interest you. From what I remember, it's not just light but EMF that will enter your eyes, and since your eyes are an extension of your brain, the EMF will easily enter your brain. The harmful effects happen all the way to quantum level where the spin of electrons is affected, meaning that you can't really completely mitigate it in any way other than stopping exposure to it.
Anyway, great thread. I'm probably going to buy an e ink screen soon too.
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Has anyone seen daylight computer co?
They look quite interesting. There is also an interview with the CEO on YT which was great.
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@AstralPMP said in Defanging your computer:
@insufferable Have you tried using a small grounding mat while you are on the computer?
Theoretically, it would be a great way to get some grounding time in but I am concerned about how it might interact with multiple electronics nearby.
I don't know much about that, sorry.
@basebolt said in Defanging your computer:
@insufferable said in Defanging your computer:
My iphone screen actually feels less harmful to the eye than my laptop screen. Maybe it doesn't flicker so much. But I'm sure it's very bad too. I really only need a small amount of iphone time sprinkled through the day. It takes 5 seconds to text, maybe you send 50 texts, that's like 4 minutes total per day, broken into very brief exposures.
You can use programs like scrcpy to control your phone with the computer.
Great tip thank you!
My Dasung e-ink screen actually says I can plug my iphone into it. I just haven't bothered to do it yet.
@basebolt said in Defanging your computer:
@insufferable said in Defanging your computer:
Light and the dopamine it does or doesn't stimulate is also responsible for near-sightedness. Outdoor light stimulates dopamine in the eye, which for some reason is what prevents the elongation of the eyeball which is the reason for near-sightedness. (myopia)
Also do you have a source for this, dopamine preventing elongation of the eye? We need to test out dopamanergic eyedrops
If you google "dopamine eyeball elongation," there's many different studies. Here's a pop sci article about it: https://www.wired.com/story/taiwan-epicenter-of-world-myopia-epidemic/
@TheSir said in Defanging your computer:
@insufferable said in Defanging your computer:
I don't want to get pinned down to just "it's the blue light that's bad." There's just something incredibly Wrong with these unnatural lights, beyond the red/blue thing. Very sensitive people on the ledstrain forum talk about how they wear red glasses, deal with the light flicker problem, and still they get terrible migraines and so on from their screens and modern lights
On the old forum there is a thread called "nothing in life comes free", it might interest you. From what I remember, it's not just light but EMF that will enter your eyes, and since your eyes are an extension of your brain, the EMF will easily enter your brain. The harmful effects happen all the way to quantum level where the spin of electrons is affected, meaning that you can't really completely mitigate it in any way other than stopping exposure to it.
Anyway, great thread. I'm probably going to buy an e ink screen soon too.
Thanks, I'll check that out. That makes a lot of sense.
@metabolicmilk said in Defanging your computer:
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Here's what youtube looks like using the extension I mentioned earlier. I really like it.
Homepage - blank screen. I don't use the side buttons, theyre just there.
Then I search for what I want. (I also have the extension set so I never see any youtube shorts cause they're garbage.)And here's a video page - see how it shows no recommendations? Only shows the video I wanted. If I want something else, I have to think of it myself and go get it.
Decapitate the youtube algorithm!
Other stuff:
- https://graphhopper.com/maps
- Brown noise somehow improves ability to focus if you're in a noisy environment.
- A good idea I picked up from jujimufu's website years ago is to power your computer off after you're done using it. Then when you have something to do on the computer, before you power it on, take a moment to prepare and think out what exactly you're going to do on the computer. Make a list on paper. Then power on the computer focused on doing these clear tasks! Then once you've done it, power the computer off.
- Other good advice from juji: https://jujimufu.com/blogs/other/tricks-to-maximize-computer-time
@metabolicmilk said in Defanging your computer:
Has anyone seen daylight computer co?
They look quite interesting. There is also an interview with the CEO on YT which was great.
I did see that. Looks cool. I'd like to know more about how it works.
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@insufferable I ordered one. So I’ll let you know an honest review when I get it around May
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@metabolicmilk said in Defanging your computer:
@insufferable I ordered one. So I’ll let you know an honest review when I get it around May
Nice! I look forward to that!
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That e-ink monitor looks awesome. Now that you've mentioned refresh rate, I wonder if there's any difference between low and high refresh rate monitors in terms of their impact on your eyes. Would a sufficiently high refresh rate be benign or potentially more detrimental to your eyes?
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I remembered another way to fix youtube.
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@insufferable what does that do
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For YouTube, I use the "Distraction Free Youtube" plugin on Firefox, it hides all the junk and focuses the UI on what you are viewing or searching. Good to avoid procrastination.
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After reading this post, I started researching on eye-friendly displays. It's a really unexplored and niche field at the moment, with a huge potential for growth imo. Most of what you can find today is only made by a couple of manufacturers, and the products are really expensive compared to regular monitors.
We have basically two options: E-Ink displays and RLCD displays. Both have no backlight (therefore no blue light), and no flicker.
E-ink displays contain literal pigments that are arranged electronically, as opposed to a traditional display which is a light panel that shines through a filter of RGB colors that penetrate your eyes. RLCD (reflective LCD) displays are like normal displays but they don't contain a backlight, instead, they rely on the ambient light which bounces on the screen and back to you.
So the main difference between the two boils down to:- E-ink displays have a very slow refresh rate, making them unusable for watching videos. Colored e-ink displays actually exist, but the color contrast is not great.
- RLCD displays have high refresh rates and high color contrasts, but they can suck in dark environments. They need to be used outside, or in a well-lit room.
Here are video reviews of the two best monitors of each kind right now:
Dasung Paperlike Color 25.3" for $1650
SVD RLCD 32" for $1500
