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    Split dosing NDT still not working for me. Please help

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      GRay
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      Every time I take some NDT in the late afternoon or even early afternoon like the most recent experiment, my sleep get messed up.

      I was taking for couple of months 90mg Armor in the am before breakfast, I thought it was helping but temp and HR were not in the optimal range.

      For the past 10 days I tried 1 grain Armor before breakfast, and half grain with lunch at about 1/1:30pm. I don't get any stress reaction or any adrenaline reaction, my sleep onset did not delay either, I just sleep but when I wake up in the AM I feel like I did not sleep, the worse feeling. I believe I dream more as well.

      I eat around 350 carbs per day, 160 protein, and often some snack before bed as well.

      I dealing with SIBO, and not sure that has to do anything with this.

      thoughts? I'm a better off afterall taking the full dose in the am?

      thanks

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        LucH @GRay
        last edited by LucH

        @GRay said:

        I dealing with SIBO, and not sure that has to do anything with this.

        Hi,
        As long you suffer from SIBO, the inflammation and the nutrients are deprived (exhausted). Energy is derived to dampen side effects.
        See Dr. D'Oro to learn how to deal with.
        Only afterwards you'll see how to adapt synthetic T3 and T4.
        But the improvement won't last if you don't bring useful nutrients for DIO enzymes (diodinase): Se, I, Mg, Zn (+ Fe and B co-enzymed).
        Mind heavy metal toxicity (Hg, Arsenic in rice, chlorine in water, Fluorine in tooth pasta, Bromine in bread or in wheat flour).

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          GRay @LucH
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          @LucH thanks.

          I have been dealing now with SIBO for a couple of years, tried some antibiotics, natural as well.

          I'm actually hoping optimizing thyroid function will get rid of SIBO, not the way around, since I believe SIBO to be a symptom of poor thyroid function

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            yerrag @GRay
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            @GRay Taking thyroid dows not work if the cause of low metabolism or hypothyroidism has a primary cause that hasnt been identified.

            In my case, it is endogenous carbon monoxide being produced from the recycling of heme by heme oxygenase enzyme (HO-1) in the spleen as it recycles hemolyzed red blood cells. Carbon monoxide inhibits the production of cytochrome c oxidase, which is needed by the electron transport chain to convert substrates to ATP.

            I have a persistently high level of LDH in my blood test, which is hard to diagnose as to why, but in time I narrowed the cause to chronic hemolysis. But the rate of hemolysis is high enough to be a problem in lowering my metabolism to sub-clinical hypothyroidism (meaning it is slightly low that I may be considered normothyroid), but I only came to realize my hypothyroidism when I would wonder why my cholesterol always stays at 240, and the conversion of cholesterol to pregnenolone would be inhibited. My androgens would also be low.

            So, no matter how much T3 I take, nothing changes with my metabolism even when I take T3, pregnenolone, and progesterone.

            I am currently addressing the root cause by taking lead chelation agents (which I have done enough of using Emeramide) and taking antimicrobials (both targeting bacteria and fungi, not virus as I don't believe it exists) with the aim of eliminating non-apoptotic hemolysis). I am also taking boron to neutralize the effect of CO as well. And taking gelatin and msm (to the existing stores of cysteine and glutamate from meat intake) to provide substrates for the body to make glutathione which provides protection from hemolysis. As well as vitamin B2 to allow oxidized glutathione to be recycled to reduced glutathione.

            But what I'm doing may not apply to your context. The root cause of your hypothyroidism may lie elsewhere.

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              LucH @GRay
              last edited by LucH

              @GRay said:

              I believe SIBO to be a symptom of poor thyroid function

              I won't say it so. Thyroid is a part of the problem but not at the source. Why?
              I’m trying to let you come to your own conclusion.
              Facts:

              • There is interaction between the brain and the microbiome through the HPA axis (vagus nerve).
              • When the energy level is weak (combined here with an inappropriate amount of nutrients, not well assimilated, due to inflamed junctions of the stomach border brush), the brain tells the machine to slow down. Species protection.

              It can be a lack of nutrients, an enzymatic dysfunction or a long-lasting low-grade inflammation (hidden, or not well determined and thus not really perceived as such). Here only some clues. There are other possibilities, like a genetic defect / laziness. We are surrounded by outside foreign agents (HM, nanoparticles, etc.) …
              The origin is often due to a lack of assimilation (accumulation of dysfunctions) or to an outside agent impacting the enzymatic pathway. Same result.
              Jean Seignalet – famous French immunologist – said the “dysfunction” could be broadly classified as originating from:

              • Outside agents (unidentified external agent): Undigested, modified macro-molecules that cross a weakened intestinal barrier.
              • A lack of assimilation: The body's inability to properly utilize or digest these unnatural, modern foodstuffs.
                Thus this immunologist dealt with 3 types of pathology:
              • overburden system (encrassage)
              • elimination defect
              • auto-immune reaction
                See Jacqueline Lagacée if any readers wish to delve deeper.

              Impact of Excess Stress (High Cortisol) on Thyroid Function
              Chronic stress elevates cortisol, which suppresses the hypothalamic–pituitary–thyroid (HPT) axis. High cortisol reduces TRH and TSH release, blunts TSH responsiveness, and inhibits conversion of T4 to active T3. This lowers available thyroid hormone activity despite normal T4 levels. Elevated cortisol also disrupts the normal feedback loop between thyroid hormones and the brain, leading to impaired regulation and symptoms of functional hypothyroidism.
              Figure: Continuous stress impacts T3 and T4 functions
              stress impacts T3 and T4 functions. HPT axis.png

              Description of the blunted metabolism
              How high cortisol disrupts the HPT axis and feedback
              • Suppression of TRH and TSH: High cortisol levels, through negative feedback on the hypothalamus and pituitary, suppress the release of corticotropin-releasing hormone (CRH) and adrenocorticotropic hormone (ACTH), which are the precursors to the HPT axis. Similarly, excess cortisol can also inhibit the release of TRH (thyrotropin-releasing hormone) from the hypothalamus and TSH (thyroid-stimulating hormone) from the pituitary.
              • Reduced T3 production: High cortisol can inhibit the conversion of T4 to the more active T3, leading to a lower T3:T4 ratio. This creates a scenario where even if T4 levels are normal, the body's ability to use thyroid hormone is impaired.
              • Blunted TSH response: The suppression of TSH by high cortisol means that the thyroid is not being adequately stimulated. This can result in low or inappropriately normal TSH levels, even when T3 and T4 levels are low, leading to an underdiagnosis of hypothyroidism.
              • Interference with feedback loop: The normal negative feedback of T3 and T4 is a separate system that can be overridden by the stress response induced by high cortisol. Ultimately, the HPT axis is affected by both the "stress axis" and the "thyroid axis," and high cortisol can disrupt the negative feedback mechanisms that are crucial for the HPT axis to function correctly.
              Body Cells – Reduced T3 Activity
              High cortisol not only lowers T3 levels but also reduces T3 uptake and receptor sensitivity in target tissues. This means that even if some T3 is present, cells respond less effectively, leading to sluggish metabolism, fatigue, and other hypothyroid-like symptoms

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