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    The Mysterious Case of Pufa Depletion

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      hcwilliams @hcwilliams
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      not a big fan of AI but I asked it about my plan to deplete overall pufa stores then refeed with saturated fat to increase sa:pufa ratio

      "You Can't Burn Your Way Out of Structural PUFA
      Adipose tissue is not just a giant, homogenous bucket of liquid oil where everything mixes together equally.

      The "Core" vs. The "Shell": Essential PUFAs (like linoleic acid) are structurally embedded into cell membranes across your entire body—your brain, red blood cells, nerves, liver, and mitochondrial cristae. They are not sitting in your subcutaneous fat depot waiting to be mobilized; they are functional components of tissue architecture.

      ...

      The reason the 2–6 year timeline is stubborn is that true PUFA depletion is a turnover problem, not just a math problem. The cells containing the old, damaged seed oils have to naturally die off, cycle out, and rebuild their phospholipid bilayers using saturated fats and what the body manufactures itself."

      this makes sense but not sure what to do about this to speed up the process of cellular pufa

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        TexugoDoMel @hcwilliams
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        @hcwilliams said:

        not a big fan of AI but I asked it about my plan to deplete overall pufa stores then refeed with saturated fat to increase sa:pufa ratio

        "You Can't Burn Your Way Out of Structural PUFA
        Adipose tissue is not just a giant, homogenous bucket of liquid oil where everything mixes together equally.

        The "Core" vs. The "Shell": Essential PUFAs (like linoleic acid) are structurally embedded into cell membranes across your entire body—your brain, red blood cells, nerves, liver, and mitochondrial cristae. They are not sitting in your subcutaneous fat depot waiting to be mobilized; they are functional components of tissue architecture.

        ...

        The reason the 2–6 year timeline is stubborn is that true PUFA depletion is a turnover problem, not just a math problem. The cells containing the old, damaged seed oils have to naturally die off, cycle out, and rebuild their phospholipid bilayers using saturated fats and what the body manufactures itself."

        this makes sense but not sure what to do about this to speed up the process of cellular pufa

        That’s basically what I told you.

        Cells will be rebuilt using the available fatty acids (usually in the blood), if you drastically limit n-3/n-6 and maintain an isocaloric diet (i.e., adipose tissue won’t be mobilized as much), your other tissues will generally be built up while depleted of these PUFAs, since the flow of fatty acids will be largely determined by the conversion of carbs into saturated/monounsaturated fat. If, after that, you fast or start losing weight, then n-3/n-6 will be mobilized into the blood, and you’ll see an increase in their levels in the cells of other tissues.

        There’s no other way to truly deplete these PUFAs except by drastically restricting in your diet and depleting bodyfat.

        In theory, you could set up a “cutting-bulking” cycle with the goal of gradually altering the ratio in adipose tissue while simultaneously depleting total PUFAs.

        Let’s assume you have 25% body fat(BF) and have set a goal to reach 10% BF on a PUFA-depletion diet. “Cut” for long enough to achieve a maximum of less 4% BF; once you reach that goal, start “bulking” until you gain a maximum of +2% BF on a diet that is essentially PUFA-free.

        This way, you’re losing a total of 2% in each cycle while simultaneously manipulating the SFA/PUFA ratio in adipose tissue.

        I don't know how many cycles of gaining 2% body fat and losing 2% body fat it would take to deplete it while maintaining weight nor if it is possible to deplete that way while alive but you can try it too haha

        But there are several ways to do cycles like these. I hate long cutting cycles, so when I just want to keep losing weight, I do a "cutting day" every other day until I reach my target weight.

        Every time I’ve done it this way, I haven’t experienced any of the negative effects of a long cutting cycle. In fact, quite often the opposite happens: instead of weight loss slowing down over time, the process actually speeds up

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          evan.hinkle @TexugoDoMel
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          @TexugoDoMel when you mix cut days in with “regular diet” what percentage of cals do you cut on the cut days? Do you change macro ratios, or keep everything the same and just reduce a percentage of calories? Maybe this is all instinctive to you at this point? Of so, can you guesstimate?

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            TexugoDoMel @evan.hinkle
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            @evan.hinkle said:

            @TexugoDoMel when you mix cut days in with “regular diet” what percentage of cals do you cut on the cut days? Do you change macro ratios, or keep everything the same and just reduce a percentage of calories? Maybe this is all instinctive to you at this point? Of so, can you guesstimate?

            If it’s every other day and I don’t want to overthink it, then the only rule for me is to have a calorie deficit of between 100 and 500 calories on those days.

            What worked best for me was having days with a 1000–1500-calorie deficit(or basically close to 50% of calories deficit), and on the other days I generally ate normally. I didn’t have fixed deficit days, so some weeks the total deficit was just 1500, while others it was 3000. Based on the percentage of macros, I think it would be considered high-fat because I used a trick to keep from feeling hungry: I’d drink a few ml of skim milk every half(or one) hour, and I didn’t end up consuming too many calories in total

            Since my metabolic rate wasn’t affected, the weight loss from the gross calorie deficit was 4 kg, and the weight loss from the additional calories burned by maintaining (or increasing) my metabolic rate was another 6 kg, for a total loss of 10 kg. There were no negative effects on my workouts, and I continued to progress every workout.

            I don’t believe in CICO the way gymbros apply it. If you restrict 500 calories, your body can only burn that amount from bodyfat if it increases its mitochondria to process more of the released energy; if it doesn’t have that capacity, then your metabolic rate will drop.

            So my “sweet spot” with these experiments has the sole purpose of stimulating mitochondrial function via AMPK/PGC-1a; I don’t care about the calorie deficit itself, and in my mind, if I hit the “sweet spot,” the other days would reinforce the changes and I’d continue to feel energetic; if I felt any loss of energy, then I’d have overdone it

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              evan.hinkle @TexugoDoMel
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              @TexugoDoMel excellent response! Thank you

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