@thyroidchor27 If you cannot access DHT, then just take DHEA. No topical T does not MAINLY become DHT. DHEA does what testosterone does but better. Worse case you can try androsterone, it is very potent as an DHT precursor, but it can cause some mental drawbacks, and the dosing is not straightforward.....would stick to DHEA raises all androgens. If you do not notice an effect from it after say 2-3 weeks, in my experience the conversion is impaired. Topical usually favours proper conversion and prevents DHEA-S pool instead of free DHEA.

No need to complicate things and start taking synthetics too. These do not express the whole genomic expression and therefore may inhibit normal homeostasis. Not to mention they are very suppressive at active doses.

@risingfire transdermally.....
I think you are wrong, considering the plethora of stuff you are taking or took in unknown doses from unknown sources, in also synthetic forms. This is what most people end up doing, trialing bunch of stuff, going off by their feel of it, hoping for a miracle.

This approach is futile. Anavar alone is an estrogen blocker btw

@pannacottas There you go, thank you for the clarification. My anecdotal experience with his products fits this very well.

@risingfire I will reply, for the sake of other users reading this. There is some potential for misunderstanding.

You bought a pre-formulated injection of DHT - I assume we have had the same experience. Is this the Russianstarpeptide injectable DHT? I took it some years ago, I remember it made me extremely ill like you have described..overpriced it was as well. Formulating your own will prove you wrong that the ''injectable DHT'' was actually DHT. This comes after close to 3 years of topical use.

There are also extremely many positive anecdotal reviews on DHT cream on many forums, these were even above the physiological dose recommended by Ray (1mg).

DHT/T ratio does not exist in the terms of the physiological doses that this subject is about.

If anything DHT, would increase androgens given that it has a self-sustaining cycle when applied topically (increasing local 5-AR, decreasing aromatase, which increases its intermediaries like testosterone). Its effect on biological hormones makes it a pro testosterone, pro progesterone amongst other things.

This is all hypothetical, since taking 1mg would not do much in terms of skewing any favourable ratio.

DHEA with DHT would also further compound androgens synthesis.

''Have you known anyone to inject DHT without test?'' - Yes plenty, including myself to inhibit estrogen related side effects when taking steroids, since DHT-derived AAS are notoriously good at suppressing estrogen levels.

This notion of DHT/T ratio stems from the AAS communities....The general norm from there, is nowadays to co-administer equivalent or higher doses of testosterone to e.g. primobolan which is DHT-derived. Which fundamentally is sound if taking anabolic steroids...Even tho you are looking at extreme suppression and more side effects, since the threshold for testesterone utilisation is typically around 100-200mg, which is only a rookie start for most. A bit is key, just like taking DHEA and pregnenolone and/or hCG is also recommended - if taking anabolic steroids, which...we are likely not even discussing.

I would consider myself a testosterone connoisseur (unfortunately). Having trialed topical testosterone in many different carries, to different injectable testerosterone consisting of many different esters, I haven't shied away from +500mg...It is all a fairy tail when it comes to testosterone. It is not the protagonist or the main character in males. People need to revise this idea. Never ever have I yet seen more people buying testosterone (not from me) and injecting dubious amounts in hope of it being the elixir of their long awaited epiphany

Hope this give some clarity to anyone reading

@risingfire When you were injecting, from where did you get the powder, how did you formulate it, what was the excipients? What was the dose you took both injection and transdermally

I ask because never have I heard of anyone being lethargic from taking DHT. Only from progesterone or androsterone.

@Crypt-Keeper depends on dose. Anywhere from grounded and calm to anhedonia...no orgasmic pleasure, no pleasure from music, no worries/but no happiness...numb. Getting it right is key. Progesterone feels the most natural in terms of suppressing estrogen. DHT feels the best overall tho, because you are more alive and ''on''. As you may know progesterone is more of a sedative hormone.

@Crypt-Keeper If I may share my experience....If libido is too high or even just functional, it is likely not low E2. I have tried basically every estrogen blocker on earth...Masteron, Primo, Aromasin, Arimidex, Nolvadex...and many many more. In the end, there is no libido if E2 is just slightly below ref.

Now E2 is normal but lust is only to occur every 2 weeks. That is normal, not several times a week.

That is just my 2 cents worth of opinion.

Lastly, most people like take too much DHT to begin with. I wonder if someone consistently take 1 mg or less and see.

Everyone seems to love testosterone, without really understanding what it does, by the same extension, that's why most on this forum shy away from progesterone. A lot on this forum should get educated

@Crypt-Keeper I assume 10-50 pg/mL is the reference. Do you conclude that you have low E2 symptoms still?

@risingfire Depends on your dose, method of application. Could you expand on what you mean by ''terrible side effects''?

@Crypt-Keeper you already probably know this correlation with E2, but is prolactin high or low?