Posts made by Bye4ever

@thyroidchor27 If you cannot access DHT, then just take DHEA. No topical T does not MAINLY become DHT. DHEA does what testosterone does but better. Worse case you can try androsterone, it is very potent as an DHT precursor, but it can cause some mental drawbacks, and the dosing is not straightforward.....would stick to DHEA raises all androgens. If you do not notice an effect from it after say 2-3 weeks, in my experience the conversion is impaired. Topical usually favours proper conversion and prevents DHEA-S pool instead of free DHEA.

No need to complicate things and start taking synthetics too. These do not express the whole genomic expression and therefore may inhibit normal homeostasis. Not to mention they are very suppressive at active doses.

@risingfire transdermally.....
I think you are wrong, considering the plethora of stuff you are taking or took in unknown doses from unknown sources, in also synthetic forms. This is what most people end up doing, trialing bunch of stuff, going off by their feel of it, hoping for a miracle.

This approach is futile. Anavar alone is an estrogen blocker btw

@pannacottas There you go, thank you for the clarification. My anecdotal experience with his products fits this very well.

@risingfire I will reply, for the sake of other users reading this. There is some potential for misunderstanding.

You bought a pre-formulated injection of DHT - I assume we have had the same experience. Is this the Russianstarpeptide injectable DHT? I took it some years ago, I remember it made me extremely ill like you have described..overpriced it was as well. Formulating your own will prove you wrong that the ''injectable DHT'' was actually DHT. This comes after close to 3 years of topical use.

There are also extremely many positive anecdotal reviews on DHT cream on many forums, these were even above the physiological dose recommended by Ray (1mg).

DHT/T ratio does not exist in the terms of the physiological doses that this subject is about.

If anything DHT, would increase androgens given that it has a self-sustaining cycle when applied topically (increasing local 5-AR, decreasing aromatase, which increases its intermediaries like testosterone). Its effect on biological hormones makes it a pro testosterone, pro progesterone amongst other things.

This is all hypothetical, since taking 1mg would not do much in terms of skewing any favourable ratio.

DHEA with DHT would also further compound androgens synthesis.

''Have you known anyone to inject DHT without test?'' - Yes plenty, including myself to inhibit estrogen related side effects when taking steroids, since DHT-derived AAS are notoriously good at suppressing estrogen levels.

This notion of DHT/T ratio stems from the AAS communities....The general norm from there, is nowadays to co-administer equivalent or higher doses of testosterone to e.g. primobolan which is DHT-derived. Which fundamentally is sound if taking anabolic steroids...Even tho you are looking at extreme suppression and more side effects, since the threshold for testesterone utilisation is typically around 100-200mg, which is only a rookie start for most. A bit is key, just like taking DHEA and pregnenolone and/or hCG is also recommended - if taking anabolic steroids, which...we are likely not even discussing.

I would consider myself a testosterone connoisseur (unfortunately). Having trialed topical testosterone in many different carries, to different injectable testerosterone consisting of many different esters, I haven't shied away from +500mg...It is all a fairy tail when it comes to testosterone. It is not the protagonist or the main character in males. People need to revise this idea. Never ever have I yet seen more people buying testosterone (not from me) and injecting dubious amounts in hope of it being the elixir of their long awaited epiphany

Hope this give some clarity to anyone reading

@risingfire When you were injecting, from where did you get the powder, how did you formulate it, what was the excipients? What was the dose you took both injection and transdermally

I ask because never have I heard of anyone being lethargic from taking DHT. Only from progesterone or androsterone.

@Crypt-Keeper depends on dose. Anywhere from grounded and calm to anhedonia...no orgasmic pleasure, no pleasure from music, no worries/but no happiness...numb. Getting it right is key. Progesterone feels the most natural in terms of suppressing estrogen. DHT feels the best overall tho, because you are more alive and ''on''. As you may know progesterone is more of a sedative hormone.

@Crypt-Keeper If I may share my experience....If libido is too high or even just functional, it is likely not low E2. I have tried basically every estrogen blocker on earth...Masteron, Primo, Aromasin, Arimidex, Nolvadex...and many many more. In the end, there is no libido if E2 is just slightly below ref.

Now E2 is normal but lust is only to occur every 2 weeks. That is normal, not several times a week.

That is just my 2 cents worth of opinion.

Lastly, most people like take too much DHT to begin with. I wonder if someone consistently take 1 mg or less and see.

Everyone seems to love testosterone, without really understanding what it does, by the same extension, that's why most on this forum shy away from progesterone. A lot on this forum should get educated

@Crypt-Keeper I assume 10-50 pg/mL is the reference. Do you conclude that you have low E2 symptoms still?

@risingfire Depends on your dose, method of application. Could you expand on what you mean by ''terrible side effects''?

@Crypt-Keeper you already probably know this correlation with E2, but is prolactin high or low?

@Crypt-Keeper I can only second this. Esp. If taking DHEA topically as well. The DHT will inhibit aromatase activity, theoretically also increasing testosterone pool. DHT depleting testosterone does not make sense either, as even progesterone alone, that is administered topically alone, will increase testosterone - granted metabolism and blood markers are supporting it.

Proper DHEA conversion will beat testosterone in my experience...that is after years of trialing injection & oral of testosterone

You don't even need DMSO, been taking topical DHT for years in SCFA/Tocopherol 1:1. Its effect cannot be mistaken. Absorption is very good applied just arm/neck or whatever area.

@thyroidchor27 Totally on point. This is my conclusion as well. Esp. if you're also taking progesterone. Today the men are hyper-sexualised. When I was in the business of hormones...Clients were basically assessing if their dose was correct based on their horniness, which usually meant taking over 150mg of testosterone, usually 250-500mg pr week...which is crazy

@wester130 Proviron is not DHT? It is like comparing masteron propionate injection to DHT topical application.

Some of the things you are describing are very loose and subjective. Overall I think DHT is a strong anti-stress hormone. Mentally very calming.

@jamezb46 You're better off just taking steroids, feel the pain, touch some grass, and come back down to your senses

Haven't found a pure pregnenolone product ever. I've trialed a couple of brands. So I do not take pregnenolone. This is also what you will hear Ray and Danny say.

Scrotum application is totally unnecessary if you are aiming at absorption - which presumably is the goal.

All suspension steroids, in conventional doses, are more than enough to give you higher blood pressure/NO boost, you might have to read that twice...Enough..DHT cannot be compared to Anadrol or Tren.

Focus on proper gut health, insulin sensitivity and keeping your endogenous hormone in the upper range. Steroids are not the way long term, never will, and never can - from a long term perspective that is. That is just my opinion, after 12 years of trial and error.

@Crypt-Keeper I formulated Test, DHT, DHEA in DMSO last year. I did not like it. In my optics, I think ethanol/tocopherol is safer for the skin, leaves no smell, and absorbs quickly enough. If you have residues from DMSO application, it could be the concentration issue. I just don't like DMSO it's too abrasive long term on my skin.

@Crypt-Keeper The point is to prevent evaporation of ethanol off the skin after application. I cannot remember the numbers mentioned from Georgi, but I think the absorption % is significantly diminished if it is just ethanol, as in under 10% absorption

@BeamsOfEnergy I take DHT, DHEA and Progesterone. I took DHT alone for some months before resume the other 2 hormones.

@BeamsOfEnergy Yes always topically. I tried the powder orally as an experiment but the effect was mixed at best (small, high and mega doses). Topical effect is very consistent. I apply it anywhere usually lower neck area, inner arm area. The absorption rate is pretty high with ethanol so don't worry, no need to apply it to the scrotum or navel. Consistent usage is key, not area. Lastly, don't worry about it touching clothes. 2 drops smeared effectively will stay and absorb quickly.

@jamezb46 They usual do mix. What sort of tocopherol are u using? Regular liquid vitamin e oil + ethanol absolute seems to work fine for me, if u dissolve the powder first with the ethanol and then add the vitamin e

I will chime in. I usually don't write on forums. Been reading, experimenting & formulating hormones for almost 10 years.

I will second this guy Brightside with regards to DHT.
You can try taking masteron propionate e.d. e.g. 80 mg or do Tren H (not e or a) and you will not get the same effect, in a harmonic and safe way.

AAS just don't have the correct full genomic expression as natural endogenous hormones do esp. DHT expression. So anyone thinking else about trialing low dose winstrol, proviron or what not, you can achieve only so much compared to DHT.

A mere dose of 5mg in a 1:1 or 3:1 ethanol to vitamin e oil topically, starts to work after about 3 weeks. Inflammation, excessive thinking, unease and general stress does really drastically reduce after this period. Another clear noted effect is sustained erection even after climax.

My research and experience tells me a 30% absorption topical absorption is true so a 5mg would be well within physiological levels.

I have trialed the most exotic hormones since the age of 18 unfortunately, some injectables, some transdermal, some in DMSO, some in Ethanol, some in Vitamin E alone, some in weird carries like guaiacol. Nothing comes close to properly converted DHEA and DHT (Body and Mind)

@Santosh, your search for the ultimate androgen, is likely detrimental in the end, I say likely, because I assume I could be wrong. Here is why. Being to much on reddit once, I took one of the most potent androgens, Mtribolone I think, it had the most insane A:A rating. At any given dose it produced some sort of side effect, even if it improved physicality and mood...And like many other trialed hormones, in the hope for the ultimate elixir, they all seem to disappoint in the end. It is just not sustainable.

On libido, sexuality and lust. I have been on progesterone, aromasin, clomid, enclomiphene, DNP, nolvadex, hcg, dht, masteron, tren, eq, test e,c,p and many more hormones. Here is what I've learned. Sexual urges occurring around every 1.5-2 weeks seem to align with good health (that is just my experience and blood tests align with this esp. prolactin levels) and DHT + Progesterone maintain that interval nicely.

If anyone is interest in nymphomania, I can warmly recommend Pansterone eqv. 15mg at once

The alive feeling of testosterone is often related, partially, but mostly, to increased estrogen levels, as I've trialed testosterone in high doses with different aromatase inhibitors and or strong androgens like mast p/e, primo acetate and could mostly control this effect at will.

I HOPE THIS HELPS ANY NEWBIE OR READER. I am not trying to sound clever or anything, just wanted to share my I think, somewhat valuable experience.