Any experiences with DHT?
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@Andrewㅤ I think 2 or 3 drops. So 2-3 mg, maybe a bit more as an experiment. But 2-3 drops was like 6-7 drops of androsterone. Not to mention that the 11-keto-dht was in alcohol and I usually take androsterone in tocopherols. Not sure if it was the steroid itself that was more potent or the delivery.
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@Sugar Did you notice any physical changes. Masculine features? Strength? Muscle Growth? Or did it only affect mood
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@Andrewㅤ I'm sure it attributed to some amount of changes but I've ordered androsterone bottles like 7 or 8 times so have more experience with it.
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@Sugar Okay cool thanks!
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On the RP forum you mentioned dissolving T in 50% ethanol 50% tocopherols. I mixed tocopherols with ethanol at home, and they do not mix well at all.
Did I understand you correctly that you mixed vitamin E with ethanol and dissolved T powder in it?
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@brightside can i just down the powder with water will that not work?
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I will chime in. I usually don't write on forums. Been reading, experimenting & formulating hormones for almost 10 years.
I will second this guy Brightside with regards to DHT.
You can try taking masteron propionate e.d. e.g. 80 mg or do Tren H (not e or a) and you will not get the same effect, in a harmonic and safe way.AAS just don't have the correct full genomic expression as natural endogenous hormones do esp. DHT expression. So anyone thinking else about trialing low dose winstrol, proviron or what not, you can achieve only so much compared to DHT.
A mere dose of 5mg in a 1:1 or 3:1 ethanol to vitamin e oil topically, starts to work after about 3 weeks. Inflammation, excessive thinking, unease and general stress does really drastically reduce after this period. Another clear noted effect is sustained erection even after climax.
My research and experience tells me a 30% absorption topical absorption is true so a 5mg would be well within physiological levels.
I have trialed the most exotic hormones since the age of 18 unfortunately, some injectables, some transdermal, some in DMSO, some in Ethanol, some in Vitamin E alone, some in weird carries like guaiacol. Nothing comes close to properly converted DHEA and DHT (Body and Mind)
@Santosh, your search for the ultimate androgen, is likely detrimental in the end, I say likely, because I assume I could be wrong. Here is why. Being to much on reddit once, I took one of the most potent androgens, Mtribolone I think, it had the most insane A:A rating. At any given dose it produced some sort of side effect, even if it improved physicality and mood...And like many other trialed hormones, in the hope for the ultimate elixir, they all seem to disappoint in the end. It is just not sustainable.
On libido, sexuality and lust. I have been on progesterone, aromasin, clomid, enclomiphene, DNP, nolvadex, hcg, dht, masteron, tren, eq, test e,c,p and many more hormones. Here is what I've learned. Sexual urges occurring around every 1.5-2 weeks seem to align with good health (that is just my experience and blood tests align with this esp. prolactin levels) and DHT + Progesterone maintain that interval nicely.
If anyone is interest in nymphomania, I can warmly recommend Pansterone eqv. 15mg at once
The alive feeling of testosterone is often related, partially, but mostly, to increased estrogen levels, as I've trialed testosterone in high doses with different aromatase inhibitors and or strong androgens like mast p/e, primo acetate and could mostly control this effect at will.
I HOPE THIS HELPS ANY NEWBIE OR READER. I am not trying to sound clever or anything, just wanted to share my I think, somewhat valuable experience.
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@jamezb46 They usual do mix. What sort of tocopherol are u using? Regular liquid vitamin e oil + ethanol absolute seems to work fine for me, if u dissolve the powder first with the ethanol and then add the vitamin e
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@Bye4ever do you always apply them topically? What area do you apply them to if so? Thank you
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@BeamsOfEnergy Yes always topically. I tried the powder orally as an experiment but the effect was mixed at best (small, high and mega doses). Topical effect is very consistent. I apply it anywhere usually lower neck area, inner arm area. The absorption rate is pretty high with ethanol so don't worry, no need to apply it to the scrotum or navel. Consistent usage is key, not area. Lastly, don't worry about it touching clothes. 2 drops smeared effectively will stay and absorb quickly.
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@Bye4ever thank you. Do you just take dht?
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What is the point of adding Vitamin E to the ethanol? Is that just to make the solution thicker for easier application?
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@BeamsOfEnergy I take DHT, DHEA and Progesterone. I took DHT alone for some months before resume the other 2 hormones.
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@Crypt-Keeper The point is to prevent evaporation of ethanol off the skin after application. I cannot remember the numbers mentioned from Georgi, but I think the absorption % is significantly diminished if it is just ethanol, as in under 10% absorption
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@Bye4ever Thank you, that is very interesting info. That could explain why my 100% DMSO solutions don't perform well. I think the DMSO evaporates so quickly. Sometimes there is a very faint, barely visible white residue which means some of the powder is not penetrating.
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@Crypt-Keeper I formulated Test, DHT, DHEA in DMSO last year. I did not like it. In my optics, I think ethanol/tocopherol is safer for the skin, leaves no smell, and absorbs quickly enough. If you have residues from DMSO application, it could be the concentration issue. I just don't like DMSO it's too abrasive long term on my skin.
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Do you think using Pansterone + kuinone topically on scrotum at a few drops/day is a sustainable way to get a boost of androgens?
And what could you recommend for an acute boost pre workout for increase aggression and power? It would likely be sublingual/buccal, right? But what androgen in particular would you think would be best 1-2x/wk? DHT? Anadrol? Var? Tren?
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@jamezb46 You're better off just taking steroids, feel the pain, touch some grass, and come back down to your senses
Haven't found a pure pregnenolone product ever. I've trialed a couple of brands. So I do not take pregnenolone. This is also what you will hear Ray and Danny say.
Scrotum application is totally unnecessary if you are aiming at absorption - which presumably is the goal.
All suspension steroids, in conventional doses, are more than enough to give you higher blood pressure/NO boost, you might have to read that twice...Enough..DHT cannot be compared to Anadrol or Tren.
Focus on proper gut health, insulin sensitivity and keeping your endogenous hormone in the upper range. Steroids are not the way long term, never will, and never can - from a long term perspective that is. That is just my opinion, after 12 years of trial and error.
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https://raypeatforum.com/community/threads/bio-identical-dht-vs-synthetic-dht.21740/
bio-identical DHT:
-makes you calm en sleepy
-you feel very happy
-Obvious dopamine increase- better focus
-more anti-estrogenic than proviron (probably because metabolite androsterone)
-better vision
-joke around alot
-very social
-not liver toxic
-increase in respect
-makes you smarter/ increased creativity
-makes things bigger downstairs
-gives me less vasocontriction
-makes skin ticker too - no disire for sex at all
- high confidence
- increase in leg and arm hair
- weirdly enough made me feel even stronger than proviron
- better focus
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@wester130 how much did you take? Orally or topically? Thanks
