Posts made by waterbottle

I'm surprised that more people don't have experience with progesterone's anti-androgenic effects, like muscle reduction. On the old Ray Peat forum there were some discussions about it, a guy even mentioned that in just 4 days of using progesterone, there was a visible difference with shoulders becoming more flat (sticking less out).

@natureman Can you explain what androgenic effects you noticed from progesterone? So you are saying that up until 150 mg, you got androgenic effects, then higher you got some mild anti-androgenic effects? Numbness of the penis but no shrinking of the penis and testicles? What about muscles, beard, body hair, voice, hand and foot size? And you say the numbness only lasted hours, does it mean that any anti-androgenic effects wore off within hours even with that large dose, and there was no long-term changes?

Anyone who has used progesterone and noticed muscles becoming smaller or other anti-androgenic effects?

@PrinceTrebata It's the most likely explanation. My doctor did many tests for androgen producing tumors, but it came up negative. So the androgen must have come from somewhere

@risingfire
It's not just "maculinity". It looks deformed in some ways, like shoulders or other muscles sticking out, doesn't look healthy or natural.

@Mallard6146 Have you personally used androgens? I guess the exposure was more than that then.

@tubert I assume it was testosterone, although could have been another androgen. I was in contact with people who used anabolic steroids around the time. Either way, the "dose" I was exposed to is probably minimal, like 1 mg I assume. But the changes are extreme though.

@risingfire Wrote it in my post

Only for those who have personal experience with progesterone!

How fast did you notice progesterone shrinks muscles and reduce androgenic features like beard growth and body hair growth?

I'm male and was exposed by accident to an androgen a few weeks ago, which even in a low dose has caused many changes like bigger and harder muscles, deeper voice, more body hair growth and beard, even hands and feet appear bigger due to water retention and cartiliage swelling. The changes don't appear to be going away, so I'm wondering if a short course of progesterone or another safe "anti-androgen" will help? Experiences with this?

I know people take progesterone together with an androgen like DHEA or testosterone, and does the progesterone really cancel out all the androgenic features of those male steroids at the right ratio? What if the progesterone is taken weeks after the exposure to the androgen?

What dose of progesterone and how many doses taken did you notice most anti-androgenic effects from? Do the anti-androgenic effect fade within days of stopping progesterone, and then the previous androgen level comes back? How does it work based on how you felt when you used it?

Please only personal experience, I know the theories of how it's supposed to work