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      Mulloch94
      last edited by Mulloch94

      I've used it, but you're probably going to have to buy it raw and mix the solution up yourself. It's also technically a Scheduled III controlled substance, so I'd advise caution when getting it. Domestic labs don't go through customs, worth keeping in mind. Sad it's so restricted, but it is what it is I guess. Never count out the FDA to sabotage someone's medical autonomy.

      I got DHT, from two sources, and I've always worried about quality control since it's from "underground" sellers basically. But both times my reaction was pretty decent. GABA like effect for me, although I think the GABAgeric effect is less pronounced then it is with androsterone. It was very thermogenic, raised temps similar to thyroid or progesterone.

      It was okay but I like normal testosterone better. When applied topically, normal T will also generate plenty of DHT as well. The only negative is you gotta be mindful of excessive estrogen elevation. But in my opinion it's worth it so I can get the benefits of both DHT and the qualities unique to T. It's hard to describe, but I start to feel "off" when my T:DHT swings too much in favor of DHT. Some people would insist it's because it lowers estrogen. But I think it's mostly related to the GABAgeric effects.

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        skylark @brightside
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        @brightside well that’s the thing, a full replacement with T just seems like too much trouble, like I’d have to source hCG and maybe an AI if I want to mitigate potential risks? And consider PCT… like my life is rather unpredictable so I couldn’t guarantee the amount of stress I’d have to meet at a given time in the future, let alone getting these substances across borders..

        So for now I might just play around with very low doses of T, just to get a feel for the hormone rather than achieve any results.

        Good things are immeasurably costly

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          risingfire @jamsey
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          @jamsey I've tried so many different variations. If I'm being honest, many times I've winged it. 1:1 or 1:1.5 ratio sounds the most common with something along the lines of 20 mgs of dht and 20 mgs of P4 being the most common. The combo is euphoric.

          I've noticed an increase in blood pressure on Androsterone and Anavar. Not quite the same case with bio-available DHT

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            saturnmissiles
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            A lot of people would mention on the old forum that full replacement/supraphysiological TD test wouldn’t cause the same level of shutdown or need for PCT but is this really the case? Seems like wishful thinking even if there probably is a substantial difference via half-life not having a constant stream from injected esters. Curious what kind of cycle time/PCT would be appropriate for it (enclomiphene or would you have to pin something like HCG, etc)?

            I love the feeling of high DHT but from experience with the usual idealabs stuff I think I would need (as the juice forum BBs say) something “wet” with a dry substance like DHT unless I was just taking a few milligrams. Transdermal test in theory provides both.

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              jamsey @risingfire
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              @risingfire
              Cool thanks for the info. Yeah I’ve only notice the blood pressure increase with large amounts(somewhere around 100s of mg of dht daily over many weeks in dmso).

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                risingfire @jamsey
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                @jamsey especially in dsmo. The effects are potentiated. I've only used supraphysiological doses in ethanol or in a pill

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                • ChudC
                  Chud
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                  i got my QSC DHT powder to dissolve in 95% ethanol.

                  my retarded ass state banned 95% ethanol everclear in 2014 so i had to buy it marked up online from science.bio

                  https://science.bio/product/ethanol-solvent-50ml/

                  its non-denatured so safe for application.

                  brave_QgBdqCb1Vm.png

                  i tried in DMSO but DMSO irritates the skin, especially if you want to apply to face, nipples, or balls

                  breakfast for dinner enjoyer

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                  • pannacottasP
                    pannacottas
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                    Has anyone tried oral dht base? I want to try orally in vitamin e. progest-e style, when i get some powder

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                      Mulloch94 @pannacottas
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                      @pannacottas I've gotten normal T to dissolve in progest-e before. The DHT I had wasn't micronized, so I was afraid it wouldn't dissolve well.

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                        pannacottas @Mulloch94
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                        @Mulloch94 nice, how much T did you put in? T and DHT have very similar solubility i think so it should work with micronized DHT at the same amount

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                          Mulloch94 @pannacottas
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                          @pannacottas I used 50mgs in one teaspoon. I take around 30mgs of progesterone in a single dose, give or take (Progest-E's dropper isn't exactly percise.) But since a teaspoon has about 100mgs, I made it where each dose would be roughly 30-33mgs of P4 and 15-17mgs of T. Of course you can extrapolate that figure out to the whole bottle if you wanted to. I didn't, because it was my first time trying it and I didn't want to ruin a whole bottle of progest-e if I didn't like how a P4:T combo felt. So I just started with a teaspoon. The T dissolved nicely in a hot water bath and stirring. Turns out I liked it, raised my libido more than just androgens by itself. Basically I think anyone who responds well to Haidut's CoritNon (P4:DHEA) will respond well to P4:T.

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                          • SantoshS
                            Santosh @saturnmissiles
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                            @saturnmissiles said in Any experiences with DHT?:

                            A lot of people would mention on the old forum that full replacement/supraphysiological TD test wouldn’t cause the same level of shutdown or need for PCT but is this really the case? Seems like wishful thinking even if there probably is a substantial difference via half-life not having a constant stream from injected esters. Curious what kind of cycle time/PCT would be appropriate for it (enclomiphene or would you have to pin something like HCG, etc)?

                            I love the feeling of high DHT but from experience with the usual idealabs stuff I think I would need (as the juice forum BBs say) something “wet” with a dry substance like DHT unless I was just taking a few milligrams. Transdermal test in theory provides both.

                            Not a lot of people, just me after experimenting for years with it and spending thousands of euros to understand what happens upon discontinuation.

                            It doesn't, indeed, lead to any suppression.

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                            • SantoshS
                              Santosh @Hando-Jin
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                              @Hando-Jin said in Any experiences with DHT?:

                              I haven't read of anybody using it due to difficulty obtaining it. Any users out there? What has been your experience?

                              DHT is just as easily found as any other steroid from traditional sellers.
                              Mine from PPL just tested at 98% purity.

                              You get blunted emotions compared to T and not much muscle growth. It's pretty flattening from a physical and a mental standpoint.
                              Makes your face chiseled, that's about the only benefit.

                              Still feels a ton better than Proviron.

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                                pannacottas @Santosh
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                                @Santosh did you have it tested at an independent lab like Janoshik?

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                                  evan.hinkle @Santosh
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                                  @Santosh great to see you here! I have always followed your experimentation with great interest!

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                                    brightside @skylark
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                                    @skylark

                                    It seems that for most people, the transdermal application leads to a high enough DHT conversion to cancel out any increases in estrogen. Not for me, but most people. Also, if you're using it with DHT, then I don't see why you would need an AI. But you can buy exemestane (30x12.5mg) for ~$40 pills locally (assuming you're in the US).

                                    I personally don't see a need to use HCG. I just use a bit of preg and maybe some DHEA and P4. To be fair, I'm not super consistent with the T, and I think I don't raise my levels high enough to where I lose most of DHEA and p4 production.

                                    @skylark said in Any experiences with DHT?:

                                    So for now I might just play around with very low doses of T, just to get a feel for the hormone rather than achieve any results.

                                    Good plan.

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                                    • SantoshS
                                      Santosh @pannacottas
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                                      @pannacottas said in Any experiences with DHT?:

                                      @Santosh did you have it tested at an independent lab like Janoshik?

                                      Yes

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                                      • skylarkS
                                        skylark
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                                        Extreme lucidity after 15mg DHT + 5mcg T3.

                                        Good things are immeasurably costly

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                                        • SantoshS
                                          Santosh @brightside
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                                          @brightside said in Any experiences with DHT?:

                                          Best hormone. DHT > all others.

                                          Clarity, energy, estrogen reduction, decreased inflammation and autoimmune like no other hormone.

                                          It's not magic, but it's damn good.

                                          It's even more helpful when you're actually sick, while T is much more hit-or-miss

                                          How do you like it compared to Proviron ?

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                                            Mulloch94 @brightside
                                            last edited by

                                            @brightside said in Any experiences with DHT?:

                                            @skylark

                                            It seems that for most people, the transdermal application leads to a high enough DHT conversion to cancel out any increases in estrogen. Not for me, but most people. Also, if you're using it with DHT, then I don't see why you would need an AI. But you can buy exemestane (30x12.5mg) for ~$40 pills locally (assuming you're in the US).

                                            I personally don't see a need to use HCG. I just use a bit of preg and maybe some DHEA and P4. To be fair, I'm not super consistent with the T, and I think I don't raise my levels high enough to where I lose most of DHEA and p4 production.

                                            @skylark said in Any experiences with DHT?:

                                            So for now I might just play around with very low doses of T, just to get a feel for the hormone rather than achieve any results.

                                            Good plan.

                                            This is where things can get wonky to me. I will admit I'm no expert in hormones or anything of the matter, but I don't perceive DHT (at least in dosages below 100mgs) to be a very good anti-estrogen. You need to take enough DHT that you're actually suppressing the hypothalamus so that endogenous estrogen can't be created. Without that, it's very possible DHT will just lower SHBG enough to allow more free testosterone. Testosterone, as well all should know, can be easily converted into E2. I think Derek from more plates more dates could give a much better idea. But I remember him saying when someone was blasting T without an aromatase inhibitor he recommended taking like 150mgs of Mast with the T. So I think when we experiment with the neurological benefits of low-dose DHT (<100mgs) we probably aren't doing much to our estrogen, maybe a slight antagonistic effect to the receptor, but aromatase isn't really effected.

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