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Killing serotonin without drugs

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    peatyzilian @yerrag
    last edited by peatyzilian Mar 4, 2024, 12:08 PM Mar 4, 2024, 12:08 PM

    @yerrag Thanks, that should be helpful!

    One thing i'm also noticing is that i'm waking up with morning temps of like 94.64F°. Too low. No wonder why i keep tired all day...

    I'm considering taking some T3.

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      yerrag @peatyzilian
      last edited by Mar 6, 2024, 4:55 AM

      @peatyzilian said in Killing serotonin without drugs:

      @yerrag Thanks, that should be helpful!

      One thing i'm also noticing is that i'm waking up with morning temps of like 94.64F°. Too low. No wonder why i keep tired all day...

      I'm considering taking some T3.

      I've been looking for some references where Peat would advise not just going ahead and taking thyroid without using some progesterone first but I'm failing to find it. Perhaps someone can help with that.

      As I recall, he says taking progesterone would counter the effects of estrogen and PUFA which has been keeping T4 from converting into T3 thus making one hypothyroid. Taking progesterone would allow the accumulate T4 protein to slowly turn into T3 and over time the accumulated T4 in the glands (thyroid and liver) would be exhausted, and this is when you can start taking thyroid. Whereas if you start taking thyroid without first taking progesterone, it would just cause a lot of previously accumulated T4 to suddenly get released and causing hyperthyroid symptoms.

      But as much as I try to remember this, but never get to experience having to treat myself, it is hard to recall exactly and I could even have the sequence being mixed up, meaning that instead of progesterone first, and thyroid next, it would be the other way around.

      So, unless that is cleared up, it's better for you to stand pat and wait for someone to provide some more definite references before you act.

      Temporal thinking is the faculty that’s
      engaged by an enriched environment, but it’s
      wrong to call it “thinking,” because it’s simply
      the way organisms exist... - Ray Peat Nov 2017 Newsletter

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        Hando-Jin @peatyzilian
        last edited by Mar 6, 2024, 6:04 AM

        @peatyzilian
        Theanine lowers serotonin

        https://academic.oup.com/bbb/article/62/4/816/5947084?login=false

        theres also 10-Methoxyharmalan,

        https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.134.3480.674

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          TheSir @Hando-Jin
          last edited by TheSir Mar 6, 2024, 10:12 AM Mar 6, 2024, 10:12 AM

          I think the power of consciously cultivated emotions and attitudes is underappreciated. If you orient yourself to the present moment as if it was the best and the most relaxing day of your life and try to maintain this perception for a while, you might soon notice a remarkable boost in your wellbeing. It can help you understand how much untapped potential for happiness there truly is in any given moment.

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            Santosh @peatyzilian
            last edited by Santosh Mar 6, 2024, 4:17 PM Mar 6, 2024, 4:17 PM

            @peatyzilian said in Killing serotonin without drugs:

            So i've been attempting to lower my serotonin because i'm convinced that it was excess serotonin that ruined my life. Context: i've been suffering for years with severe fatigue, ADHD symptoms, anhedonia, lack of energy, learned helplessness, fearful and introvert behavior, depressive thoughts and etc. All of these symptoms worsened when i was put on a SSRI years ago...
            I began to notice how bad this was affecting my life when i started to take Ritalin for my ADHD - a dopamine reuptake inhibitor. I felt amazing, but the effects lasted only for 2 months. Since it stopped working, i tried cypro for a week, and i was shocked in how all of my symptoms disappeared on that week. Mood problems, ADHD, lack of energy, all of that vanished. But i was forced to stop cypro because i started to having some problems with this drug (anticholinergic syndrome symptoms). Currently, i'm microdosing psylocibin mushrooms, and the results are being good to. One of the bizarre side effects i notice when i lower my serotonin is that colors become more vivid, taste and smell improves, and i notice things on my surrounding that i didn't noticed before. Serotonin zombified me. However, i would like to lower my serotonin without relying on drugs because eventually they stop work and the symptoms go back.

            Diet is basically meat, orange juice, fruit juices, milk, potatoes, some veg, cheese and all of the typical peat stuff. I also do the carrot salad and take aspirin often, and i already tried to take some supplements that supposedly would decrease my serotonin, like L-Theanine, Tyrosine, B vitamins, etc. But none of these things seems to work like an anti-serotonin drug. What i could do?

            3 cloves of raw garlic with every meal at lunch.
            Flush your bowels with Epsom salts once a week.
            You will feel like a new person withing the first week.

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              PeaterDinklage @Santosh
              last edited by Mar 9, 2024, 9:09 PM

              @Santosh Does this account for the diet he described or are amendments necessary for such a cure?

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                Santosh @PeaterDinklage
                last edited by Mar 11, 2024, 7:04 PM

                @PeaterDinklage said in Killing serotonin without drugs:

                @Santosh Does this account for the diet he described or are amendments necessary for such a cure?

                It works on any diet

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