Masturbation has Androgen-Boosting effects
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Can we all just agree on 0-3x per week, no porn?
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@milkgains_bro At young ages, carefully restrict and monitor screen usage so they don't accidentally stumble upon inappropriate things (like all of us did). This definitely means having a firewall in the house censoring degenerate things from the network.
At older ages keep all of that, but appreciate that it is largely out of your control. So remain a positive influence and keep bringing positive opportunities into their life so they are busy, happy, healthy, engaged with the world, have friends, have passionate hobbies, learning new things, expanding their personality, and so forth. Replace the appeal of degenerate habits with positive outlet, and that means a conscious intent in designing environments, especially at home.
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@jwayne WE NEED INTERNET CENSORSHIP AND WE NEED IT NOW! WE NEED TO RID THE INTERNET OF DISGUSTING AND OBJECTIFYING WEBSITES LIKE 4CHAN.
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@Sugar said in Masturbation has Androgen-Boosting effects:
@jwayne WE NEED INTERNET CENSORSHIP AND WE NEED IT NOW! WE NEED TO RID THE INTERNET OF DISGUSTING AND OBJECTIFYING WEBSITES LIKE 4CHAN.
I don't know much about 4Chan but I take an anti-prostitution position and the Adult Film Industry is nothing but prostitution. I think this is an obvious degeneracy considering the dignity, significance and potential of human beings, especially of human females whom are the main victims. Women and girls should not be treated as commodities to be bought and sold for pleasure on the market. The entire idea of commodifying sexual pleasure is a kind of degeneration of 'taste' and that's another symptom of civilizational decay in itself.
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@shedim said in Masturbation has Androgen-Boosting effects:
@basednigga2006 I am absolutely shocked about the amount of effort that went into this thought-provoking and paradigm shattering response of yours.
Masturbating will not INCREASE any androgens
I will debunk it soon and destroy you with the power of facts and logic -
@basednigga2006 Absolutely, you've done such a great job so far, not even debating the original study but instead just saying "cope", "you're wrong", etc. Well, I don't expect much of an intellectual response from a child who isn't even 18 yet anyways, judging by your username.
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@shedim whaat, what are you talking about
I said "i will debunk it SOON" soon, not NOW
Learn to readNot now, because its now me bedtime (since i am not 18 as you said)
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@basednigga2006 I said it because for over a week now all you've been saying is "Cope", on this thread and others relating to the same topic. I can read perfectly dumbass, maybe you should learn to read better.
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@Sugar If you want a curated porn tab then just use reddit?
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@Lovesickhs18 Yes, reddit as much as it sucks, is an elite pron platform, so was tumblr before they nuked it, upvotes ensure that the pron you're looking for was curated by high IQ autists before it was shown to you.
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@Sugar Lol just sort by top of all time then save the best posts. Anything else usually isn't worth it anyways
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For as much back-and-forth has already happened, I'm impressed no one has brought up the obvious loophole that nullifies most objections being raised here, which is goon fuel that is ethically sourced from Japanese drawslaves, instead of actual, kosher, filmed porn.
What, I can't cum because of the jews? Is that how we argue morality now? Well, I'm also giving ZOG power by working a job, so why don't I quit and become homeless?
And the abuse of women is extrinsic to pornography. Were a crackdown to happen, much pornography would still remain - especially solo content, such as onlyfans, which is a whole other can of worms regarding the social degradation of women.
In any case, these arguments fall flat because 1) they are accidental to the act of masturbating in principle, and could easily be falsified in the future; 2) the existence of fictional erotic material that comes out of Japan eliminates all arguments about the tangible social costs of pornography; and 3) because they are social issues. This is a forum for discussing health and personal wellbeing. If masturbation is healthy, why should I care if a few women suffer, or if it gives power to nefarious individuals? Liberal morality is not a given in this world.
That is all that should be discussed here. Studies are going back and forth about whether or not masturbation increases prolactin in total or merely spikes it; or if it deliberately tanks or self-esteem, or if that's a self-imposed psychological effect of guilt; or if your libido should even be that active in the first place.
I imagine the health benefits are frankly negligible in either direction, or are at least exacerbated in either direction based on the preexisting condition of the individual - that is, an explanation should be given for why fat bearded dysfunctional men seem to feel so bad after masturbation and why porn addicted gym bros seem to suffer no negative side effects.
Moreover, since it's a sensitive topic, I assume and am annoyed by the possibility that all this floundering about its positive or negative health effects are merely ad hoc bias: positive, on the side of those who want to justify their basely fetishes and dirty pastimes; and negative, on the side of those who want to moralistically finger wag 24/7.
I could give any number of my own personal objections, such as religious doctrine (which is itself divided among the denominations), or a secular argument about how it's "dirty" and denigrating to an individual's honor; but these still are not health related.
I imagine if the science were to be settled nothing would change, anyway. If it were decisively healthy, it would be another "masturbation prevents prostate cancer" fiasco, upon which Christians will post pictures of a guy in hell saying "But it raised my T!"; or if it were decisively unhealthy, all those obsessed with masturbation will continue to do so and not care, coming up with any rationalization to do so. I doubt most people conscious of their obsession truly tell themselves it is healthy, anyway. -
Peatsphere or any health or self improvement sphere in that regard isn't pro or anti "cooming" or whatever
for some reason due to nofap being interlinked with places like this some of the semen retention fanatics somehow have assumed it to be a "default" position
but the fact remains that if ur metabolically sick u will feel more negative effects by ejaculation
the most androgenic high Thyroid men can coom even 2-3 times a day if they want to and their high T3/DHT and low estrogen/prolactin/cortisol/serotonin levels will regenerate their vitality very fast
before Peating just one ejaculation would give me severe inflammatory high serotonin like state of weird gut issues, issues thinking, recalling info, severe social anxiety etc.
nowadays since managing various health parameters from Peat/bioenergetics inspired practices like lowering inflammation, improving gut health, increasing CO2 through Buteyko etc. and boosting Thyroid/Androgens I only have maybe 10% at the worst of the post-ejaculation symptoms I had
point is most nofappers are metabolically sick (I'm not speaking about porn or fetishes just sexuality per se) and then instead of identifying their severe biological imbalance that makes them feel so terrible from a single ejaculation, they went on to form a new ideology to try to explain why they feel worse by it when the answer is their elevated histamine/prolactin/prostaglandin/glutamate levels after ejaculation (all of those rise like 300% or so in mammals)
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@CO2Master cooming does basically nothing when metabolism is high and nutrients are being assimilated to regenerate materials. if the peatosphere idea of high health is energy flowing through constantly and providing structure then expending bodily fluids to regenerate them again fits with the ethos.
t. did 3 years nearly straight with 2 or 3 intentional faps of SR
t. recognizes the grossness of alot of the porn industry
t. thinks cooming with a woman is far superior to any fapperyabove all else it basically follows what you choose to believe about it. if you think fapping is really bad and especially to porn and if you do it you will probably feel bad
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@noodlecat59
yeah exactly
compared to blood production or other tissue regeneration consumes way more energy/nutrients than sexual energy/semen production ever will
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@noodlecat59
for a lot of guys fapping/nsfw stuff is a way to cope with not having access to irl sex with a real woman given that these days it's becoming increasingly harder for many guys who are not very high in the looks and other stat percentile to find a girl that even notices them in first place and that doesn't see them as blending in the background with other guys/not existing in the first place
so in some ways it's more so a result than the cause/issue itself, PMO that is as some guys even after months of being on dating apps or even being outside irl still don't find girls for whom they are enough to see them anything more than platonically
as long as ur androgens/energy keeps producing and flowing it will inevitabely keep making your libido/sexual desire more pronounced so if u don't have any woman irl to indulge with in it you will end up edging, fapping or watching nsfw stuff to somewhat satiate that desire
the nofap/semen retention rhetorians ignore the lookism aspect and other social elements of this and act as if anyone regardless of their other stats or social-sexual dynamics of the world will be able to get laid magically the moment they reach x day on nofap and that just stopping fapping/watching porn will somehow solve most of their problems
