Masturbation has Androgen-Boosting effects
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@milkgains_bro Never implied PORN wasn't harmful, porn is definitely a big no, I just said masturbation isn't the devil you make it out to be. I find it interesting how you immediately assume someone's pro-porn the moment they say masturbation isn't unhealthy. Porn is definitely an entirely different issue which has a plethora of negative effects, however if ones endocrine system was in a good state they wouldn't get any "side-effects" from it the same way they wouldn't get any side effects from sex (unless they are unhealthy and have POIS or something), ejaculation is ejaculation.
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Judging by the year the study was made in and the fact it's not mentioned it's also implied that porn wasn't a factor here, so again the topic is solely masturbation. Not touching your dick isn't gonna give you superpowers and if it somehow does, you're suffering from a bigger issue.
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@basednigga2006 I am absolutely shocked about the amount of effort that went into this thought-provoking and paradigm shattering response of yours.
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Like I said, you can edge without ejaculation and actually increase libido and sexual energy and testosterone.
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@Ecstatic_Hamster why not creating babies at the same time?
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@jwayne Thanks for your comment. What do you think Is good and healthy way how to educate someone about the harmfulness of pornography.
Lets say you would like to teach your son about this. But you dont want to a ve prudent, victorian nofaper. Blocking the internet access might work for a while but its maybe gonna make things worse. You may want them to find the reason not to do it themselves.
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@Truth said in Masturbation has Androgen-Boosting effects:
@Ecstatic_Hamster why not creating babies at the same time?
not while masturbating, I don't worry about that.
@milkgains_bro said in Masturbation has Androgen-Boosting effects:
@jwayne Thanks for your comment. What do you think Is good and healthy way how to educate someone about the harmfulness of pornography.
Lets say you would like to teach your son about this. But you dont want to a ve prudent, victorian nofaper. Blocking the internet access might work for a while but its maybe gonna make things worse. You may want them to find the reason not to do it themselves.
I have children and I have discussed this with my son. It's really just a practical issue once he reaches a certain age -- why it can mess up your sex life. Just education.
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I really think its a matter of balance and frequency. Keep the pipes flowing but keep pressure in the pipes. I coined this phrase myself.
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Can we all just agree on 0-3x per week, no porn?
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@milkgains_bro At young ages, carefully restrict and monitor screen usage so they don't accidentally stumble upon inappropriate things (like all of us did). This definitely means having a firewall in the house censoring degenerate things from the network.
At older ages keep all of that, but appreciate that it is largely out of your control. So remain a positive influence and keep bringing positive opportunities into their life so they are busy, happy, healthy, engaged with the world, have friends, have passionate hobbies, learning new things, expanding their personality, and so forth. Replace the appeal of degenerate habits with positive outlet, and that means a conscious intent in designing environments, especially at home.
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@jwayne WE NEED INTERNET CENSORSHIP AND WE NEED IT NOW! WE NEED TO RID THE INTERNET OF DISGUSTING AND OBJECTIFYING WEBSITES LIKE 4CHAN.
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@Sugar said in Masturbation has Androgen-Boosting effects:
@jwayne WE NEED INTERNET CENSORSHIP AND WE NEED IT NOW! WE NEED TO RID THE INTERNET OF DISGUSTING AND OBJECTIFYING WEBSITES LIKE 4CHAN.
I don't know much about 4Chan but I take an anti-prostitution position and the Adult Film Industry is nothing but prostitution. I think this is an obvious degeneracy considering the dignity, significance and potential of human beings, especially of human females whom are the main victims. Women and girls should not be treated as commodities to be bought and sold for pleasure on the market. The entire idea of commodifying sexual pleasure is a kind of degeneration of 'taste' and that's another symptom of civilizational decay in itself.
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@shedim said in Masturbation has Androgen-Boosting effects:
@basednigga2006 I am absolutely shocked about the amount of effort that went into this thought-provoking and paradigm shattering response of yours.
Masturbating will not INCREASE any androgens
I will debunk it soon and destroy you with the power of facts and logic -
@basednigga2006 Absolutely, you've done such a great job so far, not even debating the original study but instead just saying "cope", "you're wrong", etc. Well, I don't expect much of an intellectual response from a child who isn't even 18 yet anyways, judging by your username.
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@shedim whaat, what are you talking about
I said "i will debunk it SOON" soon, not NOW
Learn to readNot now, because its now me bedtime (since i am not 18 as you said)
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@basednigga2006 I said it because for over a week now all you've been saying is "Cope", on this thread and others relating to the same topic. I can read perfectly dumbass, maybe you should learn to read better.
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@Sugar If you want a curated porn tab then just use reddit?
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@Lovesickhs18 Yes, reddit as much as it sucks, is an elite pron platform, so was tumblr before they nuked it, upvotes ensure that the pron you're looking for was curated by high IQ autists before it was shown to you.
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@Sugar Lol just sort by top of all time then save the best posts. Anything else usually isn't worth it anyways
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For as much back-and-forth has already happened, I'm impressed no one has brought up the obvious loophole that nullifies most objections being raised here, which is goon fuel that is ethically sourced from Japanese drawslaves, instead of actual, kosher, filmed porn.
What, I can't cum because of the jews? Is that how we argue morality now? Well, I'm also giving ZOG power by working a job, so why don't I quit and become homeless?
And the abuse of women is extrinsic to pornography. Were a crackdown to happen, much pornography would still remain - especially solo content, such as onlyfans, which is a whole other can of worms regarding the social degradation of women.
In any case, these arguments fall flat because 1) they are accidental to the act of masturbating in principle, and could easily be falsified in the future; 2) the existence of fictional erotic material that comes out of Japan eliminates all arguments about the tangible social costs of pornography; and 3) because they are social issues. This is a forum for discussing health and personal wellbeing. If masturbation is healthy, why should I care if a few women suffer, or if it gives power to nefarious individuals? Liberal morality is not a given in this world.
That is all that should be discussed here. Studies are going back and forth about whether or not masturbation increases prolactin in total or merely spikes it; or if it deliberately tanks or self-esteem, or if that's a self-imposed psychological effect of guilt; or if your libido should even be that active in the first place.
I imagine the health benefits are frankly negligible in either direction, or are at least exacerbated in either direction based on the preexisting condition of the individual - that is, an explanation should be given for why fat bearded dysfunctional men seem to feel so bad after masturbation and why porn addicted gym bros seem to suffer no negative side effects.
Moreover, since it's a sensitive topic, I assume and am annoyed by the possibility that all this floundering about its positive or negative health effects are merely ad hoc bias: positive, on the side of those who want to justify their basely fetishes and dirty pastimes; and negative, on the side of those who want to moralistically finger wag 24/7.
I could give any number of my own personal objections, such as religious doctrine (which is itself divided among the denominations), or a secular argument about how it's "dirty" and denigrating to an individual's honor; but these still are not health related.
I imagine if the science were to be settled nothing would change, anyway. If it were decisively healthy, it would be another "masturbation prevents prostate cancer" fiasco, upon which Christians will post pictures of a guy in hell saying "But it raised my T!"; or if it were decisively unhealthy, all those obsessed with masturbation will continue to do so and not care, coming up with any rationalization to do so. I doubt most people conscious of their obsession truly tell themselves it is healthy, anyway.
