New "Mission" of RPF
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@questforhealth https://ggenereux.blog/
" But, then, after about say 3 – 6 months, they start to see those improvements regress. In some cases they regress even more and sometimes even end up being worse off than before they started a low vA diet. The percentage of people encountering the setback is somewhere around 30% – 40%, with a wide range of various degrees of severity. "
So an acknowledged failure rate of 30-40%, some cases severe. This is after only 3-6 months. I am glad you recovered from this disordered eating diet.
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Christ. This gave me MILD liver issues. I know I'll be fine but its all a good lesson... What exactly happened to this member??
What an awful diet. Every time I take my iron supplement I dip into copper deficiency. Even eating meat does this to me.
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Apparently they think Cod liver oil is killing the WAPF people because of the vitamin A now, and not the rancid oils in it which was discovered many years ago. Funny how the narrative can be changed to whichever way the wind is blowing today lmao.
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@Matt1951 said in New "Mission" of RPF:
Charlie dumb as a block. Unbelievably stupid.
Rinse & rePeat: I don’t understand this idea since I don’t restrict vitamin A, except for beta carotene, and I haven’t been sick with anything for over seven years.
Charlie: Not getting sick is not a good sign, its actually a bad sign. It shows that your body is not having regular and natural detox cycles and instead has decided to hold onto the toxins and they keep building up until eventually the "vitamin A" cascade comes into play. You are likely suppressing this cycle with all the toxins you are taking in. The only people who should not get sick is those who have completely detoxed and that can take several years.
Rinse & rePeat: Well the years I was getting sick, I was not looking the part of good health and did not have the boundless energy I have now. I imagine my liver must be eliminating toxins through my bowels. I’m not interested in my sick sluggish old days.
Charlie: You use stimulants for energy so of course you have energy. You are stealing from the future energy to get today's energy. Eventually that check will need to be cashed......
Rinse & rePeat: Charlie I have one cup of coffee in the morning, and no supplements AND I’m sixty.
Charlie: It's possible that you are going into the older person pattern of where they do not get sick because the body does not support detoxing anymore. Liver is a stimulant.
Rinse & rePeat: Well it’s bliss!
She better be careful, in some social circles that could be considered making a mockery which results in a ban
In all seriousness, we should get her over here for the frequent recipe drops she does.
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Rinse and repeat left this forum because of things people say
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@questforhealth said in New "Mission" of RPF:
Rinse and repeat left this forum because of things people say
Unfortunate but not surprising. There's a tinge of incel anti-female rhetoric that pops up on occasion. But I do respect the admins commitment to open and free dialogue. Whenever those weirdos pop up we just need to be swift at putting those losers in their place, lol.
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@questforhealth That is a shame, she is a very nice lady.
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mf eating beans
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@raypneat He is so stupid. Farting all the time is the only detox he is getting.
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@Matt1951 Apocalyptic prophecies lead to violence or suicide eventually. They may one day say that the human body is too toxic ridden to suit the spirit and they will disembody themselves of toxins once and for all by leaving this earth early and joining their Lord in Heaven.
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@raypneat The CWELOBF
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I've been coming across random 'Ray Peat nearly killed me' posts on Twitter, usually as a repost and retort to somebody speaking highly of him. According to them I should have died long ago. This is a campaign.
Kind of akin the 'dangerous ideas' they're always so eager to quash politically.
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@C-Mex said in New "Mission" of RPF:
According to them I should have died long ago
I think we know what their answer is. It's in that conversation between Charlie and Rinse & rePeat. You're either so young and can "get away" with living a toxic lifestyle. Or you're so old your body doesn't bother "detoxing" anymore.
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Or stealing from future energy if you feel good now, lol.
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The low vitamin A diet is ridiculous. Just beans, rice and beef? What kind of life is that?
So what about the French, Italians and Greeks? They all eat copious amounts of vitamin A foods... dairy, eggs, colorful vegetables. I see many healthy Italians, French and Greek people who are also in shape. Many of these low vitamin A propagandists look terrible.
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@jwayne Hopefully his followers won't drink the kool-aid.
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@DonkeyDude said in New "Mission" of RPF:
Despite running the #1 Peat online forum Charlie was never particularly well-known or respected in the community. He has never established direct communication with Peat like Danny Roddy or even some fairly obscure Youtubers.
And how many of these supposed Toxic A/bile converts -- including Charlie -- gave Dr. Peat one thin dime for all the information and knowledge he shared? Dr. Peat did offer private nutritional counseling which I noted on his website, but he didn't market himself. How many interviewed him, and how many --including Garrett Smith himself who claims to have been a follower and practitioner of Peat's princples until he claims they made him sick -- even e-mailed Dr. Peat for further advice or explanation or discussion, especially since Smith calls himself an expert? How many even signed up for the Ray Peat newsletters, which were a wealth of information and not a marketing device like the writings of most of the phony health 'gurus', and offered at a ridiculously low cost? Where's the analysis and honest critique of his writings and his work if he got things so wrong? There isn't any. It's just unfounded claims. This campaign against Dr. Peat is phony and rotten to the core.
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@C-Mex said in New "Mission" of RPF:
Or stealing from future energy if you feel good now, lol.
I know, that doesn't even make remotely good sense. We don't have a "finite" amount of energy. We don't even lose our energy when we die. Energy is always transforming. This mimics the ideas of "rate of living" by Pearl and others, only it even makes less sense than Pearl's ideas. I guess because Raymond Pearl was a biologist and kinda smart, so he could make a stupid theory sound a little better. Charlie is so dumb dude asks AI for his theories. If you follow that senseless claim to it's logical conclusion then everyone should be like the curious case of Benjamin Button.
@C-Mex said in New "Mission" of RPF:
And how many of these supposed Toxic A/bile converts -- including Charlie -- gave Dr. Peat one thin dime for all the information and knowledge he shared? Dr. Peat did offer private nutritional counseling which I noted on his website, but he didn't market himself.
Probably not much, if any at all. Peat seemed to be anti-market in a lot of ways, probably stemming from some of his beliefs about capitalism and whatnot. Which made support all the more hard to come by. Even Ray's books are kinda obscure and hard to find from online bookstores. I think a good majority of his income was likely through Progest-E sales. Which is why he seemed to express concerns about RPF's admin and some misleading remarks about his product. Politically and philosophically, Smith & Charlie could not be more different from Peat. And I won't pretend like some of the animosity there isn't due to this.
@C-Mex said in New "Mission" of RPF:
Where's the analysis and honest critique of his writings and his work if he got things so wrong? There isn't any. It's just unfounded claims. This campaign against Dr. Peat is phony and rotten to the core.
Pretty much. Even Mary Enig's critique of Peat's EFA claims was less "unfounded" then some of the stuff in the toxin A crowd. And it's not like Enig's critical analysis was very...analytical if you know what I mean. Her pov was simply Ray was "confused" about fatty acids. I think Kyle Mamounis is probably the only one smart enough and honest enough to give a sensible critique of Ray's works. But since Kyle actually agrees with a vast majority of it, I doubt such an extensive critique will ever be produced.
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If the Enig critique is the one that was written over a decade ago, I did read that and found it unconvincing.
The question was posed on the RPF whether anybody asked Ray Peat specifically about the toxic a 'theories' and the answer given was that he replied that he didn't simply see any evidence for it, but is this the case? Was the question posed to him in a serious manner -- if at all -- and was he presented with any research or evidence? The toxic a thread over there was around for years before his death. I don't have the stomach or the patience to read through that thread myself.
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@S-Holmes Thank you!!
That is very fitting that you should say that... since you do find a lot of beneficial compounds in cream, including vitamin A as well as other exotic things e.g., milk fat globule membrane (MFGM) https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7456308/
