New "Mission" of RPF
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I think this may be the viral video mentioned https://twitter.com/ThorTorrens/status/1772648342276710747
More on Evan “Thor” Torrens.. his bio is suspicious AF
That’s from here https://forum.zcashcommunity.com/t/thor-torrens-for-zcg-decemeber-2022/43487
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@ilovethesea said in New "Mission" of RPF:
I think this may be the viral video mentioned https://twitter.com/ThorTorrens/status/1772648342276710747
That’s from here https://forum.zcashcommunity.com/t/thor-torrens-for-zcg-decemeber-2022/43487I'm not disagreeing with you here, don't change your mind for me.
I'm just compelled to comment because I spent a micromoment or two watching this specimen. This (hilarious) bio fits my idiot opportunist distinction. Regardless of how long JZ may have looked him in the eye (ahem).
He's probably quite funny IRL. If he wants to come to London and get shitfaced, I'm reasonably sure I could convince him diabo is real. Metaphorically or not. And have him scanning barcodes at a checkout shortly thereafter.
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I too see the idiocy but this is a ruse, and it is hard to ignore the obvious agenda and whose interests it serves. Even a casual look into AI tech today gives me the impression that everything any one of us has ever written on RPF is now in a database somewhere and is being manipulated and deployed to create this distraction/propaganda narrative.
Hard to tell if this is sponsored by a political PAC or is part of the censorship/disinformation wing of the gov't in order to brainwash Repubs just in case Trump wins.
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@C-Mex
Just on the whole "AI" thing. (All) LLMs (except the glorious retrieval augmented PeatBot and its inevitable successor) are quite retarded.
One trained on vile vitriol and malice, adjoined with questionable vision and world models could be tricky. But perhaps only if something resembling a critical mass of people believe it's "generally" "intelligent".
Obviously I can't be sure.
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One implementation does not the lot make. You could be comparing an online calculator with a Geographic Triangulation System. I'm not an expert but in the video Shadowgate (posted earlier) the whistleblowers described just such an infiltration into a group and said that most of it was done with AI now. It "learns" from what we have written.
Not to worry thougjh. Kamala Harris is at the helm of leadership for the technology and I'm sure she'll be watching out for any disabuses....
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@C-Mex said in New "Mission" of RPF:
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Kamala Harris is at the helm of leadership for the technology and I'm sure she'll be watching out for any disabuses....I lol, as I picture her laughing her arse off. While pressuring a nerdoid to plug GPT into norad. And getting schooled in response.
And the other thing. It could learn my prose sure. But what of my thought. If I were concerned about this. I wouldn't be here. Not quite like this at least.
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IDK, some Silicon Valley types have raised the alarm. Can't say I'm not concerned about it because I don't think I fully understand all of the implications involved without further study, but I'm much more concerned about speaking out. Intimidation and establishing a phony consensus seems to be the goal of these idiots, be they man or machine. I wouldn't let it silence me, no. It needs to be talked about more, the implications and where it is heading.
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@ilovethesea LMAO. And there it is.
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these weirdos would have been flat earthers instead if they watched a different documentary when they started researching
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@C-Mex this seems pretty obviously related to the whole “redirect all vaguely right wing or anti-establishment sentiment into evangelical Zionism” media complex
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IDK about all of that, but it is odd. I heard Trump was out selling Bibles today, and it always puzzled me why the RPF had so many Trump fans and the religious zealots (not to offend anyone, it's just over the top) didn't really come out until after Peat's passing, although I can't say for sure as I was away from the forum for a few years and returned after that.
Actually a light bulb just went off: What could be considered more 'anti-science' than religion? Incomplete thought, but they accuse anyone skeptical of Fauci as being 'anti-science'.
Anyway, I'm just looking through a political lens and see who benefits from this propaganda campaign and it clearly looks to me like a pharma/uniparty agenda. The politics/religion of the RPF are there to see, I'm not politicizing it myself The whole toxic vitamin a thing is just a propaganda campaign. It doesn't have to be true. They just have to have an alternate explanation for what is causing the rise in autoimmune and other chronic diseases in the US and all they have to do is get enough voters to buy it before the next election. That's why they need to destroy Ray Peat's work and reputation.
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@C-Mex It's brilliant strategy really.
They can't let Ray Peat be a martyr. So more effective to have all alt-health be a bunch of dangerous doofus lunatics.
The campaign to require a doctor's prescription for "supplements" has been on-going. And the doctor whores will be all over it.
I've watched one veterinarian after another go from "holistic" to selling prescription Royal Canin ration and vaccine shills. Try getting a prescription for an itchy dog without getting all his vax up to date. -
Right, I was just thinking it could be multi-faceted.
Introduce doubt, confusion and distraction into the pharma and vaccine-skeptical political right (and anyone else who tags along -- can't hurt).
Associate the 'anti-science' pharma-skeptical crowd with religious fanatacism and cult-like behavior.
Associate Ray Peat and anyone who follows him with the religious right.
Slander and smear his work with bogus theories that also offer an alternate explanation for the health problems that plague Americans. Anyone new to him will be confused and go running back to the medical harm system for information. Looks like they have a strategy in place to troll other alternate health practictioners as well.
The regulation of supplements for purity at first glance to me didn't sound so bad, but they want to regulate what is being sold and we don't have any uncaptured federal regulatory agency that can be trusted for any kind of testing or regulation for purity or otherwise, period. Looks like just another grab at controlling another market by the powers that be and remove our freedoms and should be resisted.
It is getting worse with doctors, dentists, and now vets. It is sad really. Maybe you could find what you are looking for online?
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@C-Mex pharma / uni party benefits because what’s going to end up happening as a result of this is people who might have actually taken control of their lives via peat’s research are just going to get corralled back on to the Paleo/keto/fad diet plantation; which is long controlled by the establishment and poses no threat to anything.
Kind of hard to explain what I mean by this but Ray’s philosophy and research is really “infinite” in terms of potential compared to something like carnivore which is just a reductive lifestyle and is already “solved.” The powers that be don’t like infinite potential in the hands of everyday people.
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@Regina said in New "Mission" of RPF:
Try getting a prescription for an itchy dog without getting all his vax up to date.
Hopefully someone finds that helpful.
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@saturnuscv said in New "Mission" of RPF:
The powers that be don’t like infinite potential in the hands of everyday people.
Can't agree more with this. it is likely why Ray Peat's work was targeted in the first place
I guess what I'm getting bogged down in is the timing and methods used to do this and how it might relate to the upcoming US election, which seems critical to the outcome and future of all of this in these post-COVID times when so many critical issues are being raised that the powers that be find extremely inconvenient.
There are more than two choices in the upcoming election.
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@C-Mex said in New "Mission" of RPF:
"Mission" of RPF](/post/15434):I guess what I'm getting bogged down in is the timing and methods used to do this and how it might relate to the upcoming US election, which seems critical to the outcome and future of all of this in these post-COVID times when so many critical issues are being raised that the powers that be find extremely inconvenient.
There are more than two choices in the upcoming election.
To expand on what I said earlier:
Charlie’s whole “Jesus is coming back to save America, not eating vitamin A is part of that” shtick is undeniably evangelical-esque at the very least.The average person views evangelicals (IMO rightfully) as lunatics. However, at the same time they are incredibly useful to the present political establishment. Evangelicals also are dispensationalist heretics and as a result are the largest demographic bloc of Israel supporters in the US. Now it seems Thor Torrens is involved with Israel as well? And affiliated with a political administration propped up by evangelicals? Which is up to potentially be elected this year? Too perfect. Surely I need not remind of the connection between the pharmaceutical lobby and Israel lobby… (they are practically the same)
Frankly, this whole thing is clearly a sloppy intelligence/media complex op, done for obvious reasons by obvious suspects. I’ll refrain from elaborating further since it’s outside the scope of this forum and I don’t want to get myself or anyone else in trouble.
- see threat to establishment narrative
- torpedo it
- redirect stragglers to politically useful narrative
I have seen this play out so many times with online communities for all kinds of subjects.
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@saturnuscv said in New "Mission" of RPF:
The average person views evangelicals (IMO rightfully) as lunatics. However, at the same time they are incredibly useful to the present political establishment. Evangelicals also are dispensationalist heretics and as a result are the largest demographic bloc of Israel supporters in the US. Now it seems Thor Torrens is involved with Israel as well? And affiliated with a political administration propped up by evangelicals? Which is up to potentially be elected this year? Too perfect. Surely I need not remind of the connection between the pharmaceutical lobby and Israel lobby… (they are practically the same)
Let's just say I've been on both sides of the Israel issue and have come to the conclusion that it is yet another tool used by the powers that be for their convenience to divide us politically and maintain the status quo for the uniparty by playing us against each other. The ongoing Palestinian/Israeli conflict is the political gift that keeps on giving.
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@saturnuscv said in New "Mission" of RPF:
I have seen this play out so many times with online communities for all kinds of subjects.
That's very interesting. This is new to me, as Ray Peat was the only person who intrigued me enough to deep dive into his work. Before that I was reading little memes and sponsored tidbits of 'health news' and randomly trying various supplements, etc, all the while being in relatively good health. I just happened to find Peat when I had what I see now as a 'metabolic crisis'.. I read "The Great Fish Oil Experiment" and got hooked. I had been taking fish oil for a decade.
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@C-Mex said in New "Mission" of RPF:
Let's just say I've been on both sides of the Israel issue
What do you mean by this? Are you just talking about the most recent events? Because Israel and Palestine have been going at it for a long time. I think this is really more of a divider on the American right than anywhere else. Most people on the left (outside of corporate democrats) stand pretty much in solidarity with Palestine. I'll refrain from giving my personal views on it as well, but lets just say, insufferable pricks like Ben Shapiro routinely like to weaponize their Jewish status as a means for identifying and calling out antisemitism .When in reality, more times than not, the people charged with antisemitism were usually just being critical of vulgar Israeli nationalism and human rights violations.
