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    Caffeine is BAD for GROWING TALLER

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    • izkrovI
      izkrov
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      Most of the links you posted are broken, and even from the captions don't seem relevant.

      From this study:
      Low calcium intake is clearly linked to skeletal fragility, and it is likely that a high caffeine intake is often a marker for a low calcium intake. The negative effect of caffeine on calcium absorption is small enough to be fully offset by as little as 1-2 tablespoons of milk

      Other studies which I think you have linked (I can't know because you didn't copy paste correctly) seem to use intravenous caffeine rather than oral intake. I'm not sure it's safe to bypass the liver like that.

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      • CO3C
        CO3 @izkrov
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        @izkrov all of it is obviously stupid. no point in engaging a vain idiot like this. just ignore.

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        • HeightOptimizedH
          HeightOptimized @izkrov
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          @izkrov sorry for the links, my mistake.

          All of the links were related to the studies.

          The study you cited I read, but in other studies it displays calcium decreases with coffee consumption.

          https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33852164/

          https://nutritionj.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/1475-2891-11-56#:~:text=Current evidence however relate caffeine,reducing intestinal calcium absorption efficiency.

          https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4475355/pdf/joa0227-0010.pdf

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          https://t.co/Z4xzCOw0cB

          https://t.co/6btQknXftt

          https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/joa.12530

          https://twitter.com/HeightOptimized

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          • HeightOptimizedH
            HeightOptimized @CO3
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            @CO3 relax I made a post when I just woke up it’s not that serious.

            https://twitter.com/HeightOptimized

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            • CO3C
              CO3 @HeightOptimized
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              @HeightOptimized said in Caffeine is BAD for GROWING TALLER:

              The study you cited I read, but in other studies it displays calcium decreases

              HE AGREED WITH YOU ON THIS POINT. READ AGAIN. READ IT CAREFULLY: SOUND OUT THE SYLLABLES IF NEED BE

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              • izkrovI
                izkrov @HeightOptimized
                last edited by izkrov

                @HeightOptimized said in Caffeine is BAD for GROWING TALLER:

                https://nutritionj.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/1475-2891-11-56#:~:text=Current evidence however relate caffeine,reducing intestinal calcium absorption efficiency.

                This article cites the exact same author from the study I linked -- R P Heaney. He himself said there's really not that much of an effect on calcium absorption, saying "Current evidence relates caffeine to reducing calcium absorption efficiency" is just outright wrong, or misses the fact that very small amounts of calcium intake can offset the negatives.

                https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4475355/

                Estradiol levels in the controls were relatively consistent, without age variation (Fig.​(Fig.6b).6b). However, caffeine-fed rats exhibited a significantly higher E2 level after 2 weeks of caffeine exposure compared with the controls (P < 0.01 vs. CT). After 4 weeks of caffeine exposure, E2 levels in the caffeine-fed groups were profoundly decreased compared with those measured at 2 weeks, and even lower than for the controls. In addition, total T4 levels of serum samples obtained after 4 weeks of caffeine exposure only were measured, due to a shortage of 2-week serum samples (Fig.​(Fig.6c).6c). Caffeine-fed groups showed significantly reduced levels of T4 compared with the controls (P < 0.05 vs. CT), no difference was observed between the caffeine-fed groups.

                This study I think shows decently what's going on. High caffeine intake relative to calcium intake (they simply didn't give them calcium) is stressful in nature, hence the estrogen increase. Caffeine helps convert T4 to T3 in the liver, but without the increase in nutrients to meet the metabolic demands the only thing the cells can do is divide. Eventually though there's a stabilizing effect

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                • HeightOptimizedH
                  HeightOptimized @CO3
                  last edited by

                  @CO3 you’re the dumb one here reread what he said. I would beat you up in a fight.

                  https://twitter.com/HeightOptimized

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                  • HeightOptimizedH
                    HeightOptimized @izkrov
                    last edited by

                    @izkrov I agree with the first point, although my statements stand true. Missing crucial development times, hormones aren't always increased at the same level.

                    https://twitter.com/HeightOptimized

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                    • izkrovI
                      izkrov @HeightOptimized
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                      @HeightOptimized I don't understand.

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                      • CO3C
                        CO3 @HeightOptimized
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                        @HeightOptimized said in Caffeine is BAD for GROWING TALLER:

                        @CO3 you’re the dumb one here reread what he said. I would beat you up in a fight.

                        Yeah sure. I'd hold you back by your head while you try to swing at me with your short little arms

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                        • ?
                          A Former User
                          last edited by

                          so much talk of growing taller but for what... to 'mog' others lolol so lame

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                          • HeightOptimizedH
                            HeightOptimized @CO3
                            last edited by

                            @CO3 I have a 6’7 wingspan, please don’t be mean to me. How was your day?

                            https://twitter.com/HeightOptimized

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                            • HeightOptimizedH
                              HeightOptimized @A Former User
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                              @questforhealth there’s a ton of reasons for someone to want to grow taller!

                              https://twitter.com/HeightOptimized

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                              • ?
                                A Former User @HeightOptimized
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                                @HeightOptimized of course, just some people take it the completely wrong way tbh...

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                                • HeightOptimizedH
                                  HeightOptimized @A Former User
                                  last edited by

                                  @questforhealth yeah of course

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                                  • C
                                    CO2Master
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                                    While not the best for growing taller

                                    wouldn't it be good once most of the physical development is complete

                                    as it'd antagonize the excess unhealthy type growth factor/hormone induced growth Ray Peat talked of that rises in association with negative conditions?

                                    a more insulin-ergic stimulatory type eating/lifestyle during earlier life and then at around 35 once most development is done a more anti-aging longevity type one

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                                    • C
                                      CO2Master
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                                      luckily I started drinking coffee only after I had already been done growing to 6"2 and hadn't grown much by that point

                                      I like coffee for it's mental pro-metabolic benefits and the CO2 production anti-inflammatory actions

                                      makes me feel more energized,, creative even erections get better

                                      combine with sugar and baking soda maybe put in Creatine or Collagen as I have done

                                      and it synchronizes the effects

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                                      • HeightOptimizedH
                                        HeightOptimized @CO2Master
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                                        @CO2Master I believe it’s good after you have fully developed, the way caffiene works on the growth plates and osteoblasts is very odd because it basically just pauses the growth plates and catches up later but of course you won’t want to pause development if your at for example your peek in hormones

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                                        • HeightOptimizedH
                                          HeightOptimized @CO2Master
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                                          @CO2Master yeah I think thats good

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                                          • izkrovI
                                            izkrov @HeightOptimized
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                                            @HeightOptimized Until you have a study that shows calcium intake along with caffeine, there is no evidence to show that "it just pauses growth plates".

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