The relationship between Candida infections and heavy metal toxicity

Oi oi

I'm looking into bamboo silica for aluminium now. You taken this before?

maybe not much to do with candida but if it helps gets a calm mind to detox aluminium out the brain then that can help with candida/digestion issues no?

cs3000

@Mauritio interesting one , & looks effective for many metals (patented product mentioned but plenty of mention of pectin use for this all over)
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/6949457_The_effect_of_modified_citrus_pectin_on_urinary_excretion_of_toxic_elements
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also cadmium & arsenic with main effect on lead as mentioned. (BUT this urinary excretion isnt as good as it sounds given by the modified form, the % increases are still low absolute amounts excreted by urine)

and this one stood out, normal apple pectin also works (here its used to lower radioactive Caesium levels in children exposed to contaminated food in Chernobyl. and given without any more contaminated food so it didnt only block absorption of new toxic metals it helped actively eliminate them:

Reducing the 137Cs-load in the organism of "Chernobyl" children with apple-pectin
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/14745664/

"In this clean radiological environment only radiologically "clean" food is given to the children. The average reduction of the 137Cs levels in children receiving oral pectin powder was 62.6%, the reduction with "clean" food and placebo was 13.9%, the difference being statistically significant (p <0.01). "

(i'd bet would increase zinc copper & iron elimination too though so probably not best long term, but maybe good for a cycle to get rid of some stuff)

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@questforhealth i think the only form that works for aluminium is water soluble form silicic acid found naturally in water

+10mg sicilic acid might be associated with lower incidence of alzheimers going by a review
& (water soluble form)
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/0140673693923019

going by intervention studies fiji water has enough for an effect on 500ml a day ~45mg.
volvic mineral water should have just enough in 1L at 32mg
(similar to spritzer at 35mg/L)

https://vaccinepapers.org/wp-conten...Aluminum-Hypothesis-in-Alzheimers-Disease.pdf

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5832610/

apparently fish in water with high concentration of sicilic acid have low aluminium in their bodies

@cs3000

but the bamboo plant is a living thing so the silica in it must be water soluble no? because it needs to move the mineral around inside the body system?

cs3000

@questforhealth yeh tho i think the bamboo takes up water soluble silicic acid then processes it into silicon dioxide then that form is sold as silica (instead of the silicic acid needed which u can get from some mineral waters)

@cs3000

ahhhh that makes sense

cs3000

@cs3000 https://bioenergetic.forum/post/16234

That study for -62% reduction was 3 weeks , 5g apple pectin powder x2 daily with food and 15% of that as pectin, so 0.75g apple pectin x2 daily in children. no age/bodyweight given maybe 2x - 4x dose for adults
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/8900434_Reducing_the_137Cs-load_in_the_organism_of_Chernobyl_children_with_apple-pectin
impressive for something natty & such a low amount

@cs3000

Hey this seems pretty awesome

Does this mean I can buy jars of apple sauce and eat them and it can help me out too?

I do believe in citrus pectin though. Very powerful product.

when you think about how bad heavy metals mess you up the modified stuff is well worth the price. What is £100 for a lifetime of peace?

Makes me wonder if this is why old people like eating marmalade so much

Mauritio

Hey, great to see you back (here)!

@cs3000 said in The relationship between Candida infections and heavy metal toxicity:

normal apple pectin also works

do you know the MoA ? Eventhough they have a similar name ,apple pectin and MCP are quite different, in the sense that MCP is absorbed and pectin is not.

Interesting on silicic acid.
Gerolsteiner has about 50mg per liter and I drink about 1.5l of that per day so should be getting a decent dose from it.

Mauritio

Is that the same silica from supplements that we are trying to avoid?

DavidPS

@Mauritio - no. Professor Exley recommends silicon water.

Silicon-Rich Mineral Water as a
Non-Invasive Test of the ‘Aluminum
Hypothesis’ in Alzheimer’s Disease

Non-invasive therapy to reduce the body burden of aluminium in Alzheimer's disease

DavidPS

@Mauritio -see also
https://bioenergetic.forum/topic/769/silicon-deprivation-decreases-collagen-formation-in-wounds-and-bone-and-ornithine-transaminase-enzyme-activity-in-liver

cs3000

@Mauritio
hi yeah likewise

on MOA [first i read apple pectin can increase absorption of some polyphenols (e.g quercetin 2x) where other polyphenols get hindered. but as typically small amounts in food i wouldnt expect to make that much difference from double absorption probably not very relevant]

So likely through preventing re-absorption in the gut from bile & mucosa shedding is enough for significant effect without doing it direct in the bloodstream (for certain metals)

maybe optimal to do a blend of both modified form + apple form for different mechanisms and skew towards different metals? Looks like lead is a commonality, (might lower copper a lot too tho, but less so in presence of lead "Lee and Yang (1997) studied Cu binding by pectin rich apple waste and found that ionic strength did not cause significant differences in metal ion binding capacity.
They also found that the presence of co-ions such as lead decreased the removal of Cu due to competition")

This one mentions mechanism of action being preventing reabsorption with bile that circulates

A blend of citrus & apple pectin also reduced pesticides in blood to almost 0 https://www.romj.org/2013-0306

On the base of the research we can ascertain that citrus and apple pectin “Medetopekt” reduce resorbtion of heavy metals and organochlorine pesticides, accelerate eliminating of these substances from an organism.
It is well known that organochlorine pesticides are eliminated from an organism with bilis, and pectins bind bile acids in intestine, and by that cause eliminating of pesticides. Insoluble compounds in natural enterosorbents improve intestinal function. Moreover, at acute chronic pancreatitis pectins reduce hyperenzymemia

I was thinking maybe modified form would be better for mercury seeing mercury is sticky in the brain. but study here said apple pectin also helped reverse mercury toxicity https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/10198961/ and functional impact
(russian translation "vegetative regulation" looks like it means nervous system measures improved from the apple pectin removing mercury e.g heart & reflexes https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/26369239/

@questforhealth interesting connect about the marmalade yeh , i read a case report where some woman was intuitively eating like 20g salt worth of soy sauce and lots of licorice each day , which turned out was keeping her body functioning in a disease i think it was addisons

Heavvy metals must mess with the brain so bad

Peoples voices and music are starting to sound different in my life, like they have a depth I never knew about??

Whatever this stuff is doing the impact on my life is good

Just sad I didn't do heavy metal test before & after. Might do that for aluminium if I have the energy. But it does cost some money. Better focus on cheap and easy.

Santosh

@questforhealth said in The relationship between Candida infections and heavy metal toxicity:

Heavvy metals must mess with the brain so bad

Peoples voices and music are starting to sound different in my life, like they have a depth I never knew about??

Whatever this stuff is doing the impact on my life is good

Just sad I didn't do heavy metal test before & after. Might do that for aluminium if I have the energy. But it does cost some money. Better focus on cheap and easy.

Just buy some Emeramide and go on with your life, no ?

Amazoniac

Antifungal Activity of Stabilized Ortho Silicic Acid (OSA) against Foliar Plant Pathogens

You can find more related material, and it may be relevant for humans.

@Santosh

Pectin is gentle and natural. These days I like nature and sun and picking my own herbs outside more than buying shit off the internet.]

@Amazoniac

That is genius. Maybe if I ever started farming I could spray this stuff on the crops and people would be getting medication along with their food....

Mauritio

@DavidPS said in The relationship between Candida infections and heavy metal toxicity:

@Mauritio -see also
https://bioenergetic.forum/topic/769/silicon-deprivation-decreases-collagen-formation-in-wounds-and-bone-and-ornithine-transaminase-enzyme-activity-in-liver

Thanks for sharing, so silicon is needed for collagen synthesis and wound healing.

Mulloch94

@questforhealth said in The relationship between Candida infections and heavy metal toxicity:

Pectin is gentle and natural.

Some people do have exceptionally bad digestive disturbances with pectin. I think the best chelators are cilantro extract and succinic acid. Neither will really disturb the gut too much.

Mauritio

@cs3000 said in The relationship between Candida infections and heavy metal toxicity:

This one mentions mechanism of action being preventing reabsorption with bile that circulates

This strikes me as the most likely, since apple pectin is good increasing bile.

"Fecal bile acid excretion (+168%) and the hepatic activity of cholesterol 7alpha-hydroxylase (+70%) were significantly higher in pectin-fed animals. "

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/8683337/

And most heavy metals are reabsorbed via bile.

Also good to know that pectin will preferentially excrete lead instead of copper. Apples for the win, again!

96.2% of the soluble fibers of carrots are pectin as well.

Do you know what an effective dose would be for heavy metal removal with pectin ?
Btw marmelade contains about 5g/kg.

Mauritio

@Mulloch94 said in The relationship between Candida infections and heavy metal toxicity:

@questforhealth said in The relationship between Candida infections and heavy metal toxicity:

Pectin is gentle and natural.

Some people do have exceptionally bad digestive disturbances with pectin. I think the best chelators are cilantro extract and succinic acid. Neither will really disturb the gut too much.

I know peat was no fan of succinic acid, because we have no idea where the heavy metals are redistributed to...potentially worse places in the body?
Not sure if he would have said the same thing about pectin. That's why I originally went with MCP as it has a different mechanism of action, that is safer.

But after all this info on pectin Im considering trying that out as well.