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    ilovethesea @Regina
    last edited by ilovethesea 17 Apr 2024, 22:38

    @Regina He’ll never let us back but yes criticism is allowed now. We all got banned for less than what they’re saying in this thread.
    https://raypeatforum.com/community/threads/detox-ideology-is-the-worst-toxin-avoid.52831/

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      wrl
      last edited by wrl 20 Apr 2024, 02:39

      Archived page of a fresh post with an pro-A stance.
      How long will it stay up for‽

      (Archived rpf webpage)
      https://archive.ph/j900l

      Screenshots of post excerpts...
      Screenshot_20240420-032313_Brave.jpg Screenshot_20240420-032424_Brave.jpg

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      • ThinPickingT
        ThinPicking
        last edited by 20 Apr 2024, 12:11

        https://raypeatforum.com/community/threads/thor-torrens-interviews-willofeuropa-how-to-lose-100-pounds-on-a-low-vitamin-a-diet.52933/post-992011

        William. Assuming that is you and you snoop here. I couldn't have put it better myself. Excellent 💪 💪

        Also appreciate your candour in sharing personal struggle. And Evan fielded it well. That will be useful to some people. Being a "slim" dude has its own set of drawbacks, but go for it. Whatever you need to order that thyroid.

        I still can't endorse the "protocol" or idea it will go "mainstream". But you can walk any line you like at the end of the day.

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        • KvirionK
          Kvirion
          last edited by 20 Apr 2024, 15:20

          BTW, I don't know if you noticed a small, but historical event. Haidut recently posted a new study on his site, on Twitter/X, and here, BUT... not on RPF...
          It seems that he abandoned RPF for good...

          Panta rhei... | Liberté 🏴 | It depends... ;-)

          A little Learning is a dangerous thing;
          Drink deep, or taste not the Pierian Spring:
          ~Alexander Pope, An Essay on Criticism

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          • InsomniacI
            Insomniac @Kvirion
            last edited by Insomniac 20 Apr 2024, 17:44

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              Regina @Kvirion
              last edited by 21 Apr 2024, 01:14

              @Kvirion That should help thin that beat scene.
              I hope Georgi creates an interactive site with new interivews!

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                Jakeandpace
                last edited by 21 Apr 2024, 10:58

                Controlled demolition of the RPF has succeeded.

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                • KvirionK
                  Kvirion @Regina
                  last edited by 21 Apr 2024, 12:29

                  @Regina said in New "Mission" of RPF:

                  I hope Georgi creates an interactive site with new interivews!

                  Yes, I hope for this too!

                  Moreover, as @Insomniac, I also hope that Haidut will stay here and even engage more with this forum.

                  Panta rhei... | Liberté 🏴 | It depends... ;-)

                  A little Learning is a dangerous thing;
                  Drink deep, or taste not the Pierian Spring:
                  ~Alexander Pope, An Essay on Criticism

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                    Regina @Jakeandpace
                    last edited by 21 Apr 2024, 13:45

                    @Jakeandpace 🙌 👍

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                      ilovethesea
                      last edited by 22 Apr 2024, 21:34

                      Blossom’s posting photos again.
                      “I lost 77 pounds. It took 7 years but I’m okay with that because I did it in a healthy and sustainable way.”

                      ^ Maybe it’s just me, but I don’t think this looks healthy at all (she’s 54) 😱

                      Screenshot 2024-04-22 at 5.29.55 PM copy.png

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                        ilovethesea
                        last edited by 22 Apr 2024, 21:39

                        Now they’re noticing that low vitamin A people are losing their outer eyebrows...
                        this is in addition to the grey hair and excessive gas 🙃

                        Screenshot 2024-04-22 at 5.36.05 PM copy.png

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                        • ThinPickingT
                          ThinPicking @Hando-Jin
                          last edited by 22 Apr 2024, 22:51

                          @Hando-Jin said in New "Mission" of RPF:

                          But years ago when people were talking on other forums about how obnoxious he was, somebody talked about his father and posted and all the kooky metaphysical ideas he was into. Just completely insane stuff. I think it's simply a case of the apple not falling far from the tree. Nobody born to someone like that is coming out normal.

                          Good day Mr "Charlie". I see you're flapping around looking for a more palatable horse to back. That's understandable.

                          Just a very friendly reminder for you. We're not all so maladapted. That domain is coming home one way or another. You're simply labouring under the patience of saints right now (somewhere beyond this place).

                          Have a nice evening chap.

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                            A Former User @ilovethesea
                            last edited by 22 Apr 2024, 23:16

                            @ilovethesea

                            my god, get the funeral paid already

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                              Regina @ilovethesea
                              last edited by 23 Apr 2024, 03:00

                              @ilovethesea 👀 🤦

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                              • Hando-JinH
                                Hando-Jin @ilovethesea
                                last edited by Hando-Jin 23 Apr 2024, 08:19

                                @ilovethesea

                                yuck

                                but when your primary goal is to lose weight just so you can post pictures of yourself on instagram to keep up with every other numbskull woman, I guess it's justifiable.

                                Willing to bet she smells like an old man.

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                                • Hando-JinH
                                  Hando-Jin @wrl
                                  last edited by 23 Apr 2024, 08:24

                                  @wrl said in New "Mission" of RPF:

                                  Archived page of a fresh post with an pro-A stance.
                                  How long will it stay up for‽

                                  (Archived rpf webpage)
                                  https://archive.ph/j900l

                                  Screenshots of post excerpts...
                                  Screenshot_20240420-032313_Brave.jpg Screenshot_20240420-032424_Brave.jpg

                                  Oh Mary, turn off the fucking caps lock. Anyone who uses the term thrive shouldn't be allowed on the internet anymore. I wonder if she even knew who Ray Peat was, as per the forum name.

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                                    Matt1951
                                    last edited by 24 Apr 2024, 15:23

                                    There is going to be a Medical Board hearing for Dr. Smith May 9. I will post the results.

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                                    • ThinPickingT
                                      ThinPicking @Matt1951
                                      last edited by 24 Apr 2024, 15:27

                                      @Matt1951

                                      Thank you Matt 🙇

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                                        jjk_learning @Matt1951
                                        last edited by jjk_learning 24 Apr 2024, 15:31

                                        @Matt1951 said in New "Mission" of RPF:

                                        There is going to be a Medical Board hearing for Dr. Smith May 9. I will post the results.

                                        What is your goal for the complaint you filed with the board? And what is the basis of the complaint?

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                                        • ThinPickingT
                                          ThinPicking @jjk_learning
                                          last edited by 24 Apr 2024, 15:49

                                          @jjk_learning

                                          Why does the board exist. And what is the point of licensing.

                                          https://bioenergetic.forum/post/14046

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                                            jjk_learning @ThinPicking
                                            last edited by 24 Apr 2024, 16:00

                                            @ThinPicking

                                            I read that post but don't really understand the basis of the complaint. That Smith is endangering children? It reads to me like a personal attempt to destroy Smith's livelihood.

                                            This same logic from that post could be used to go after someone who promotes discarding "essential fatty acid" PUFAs or anything else.

                                            I suppose the board will be able to handle it however they feel appropriate but I disagree strongly with the idea of going after someone's license over dietary disagreements such as this.

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                                            • ThinPickingT
                                              ThinPicking @jjk_learning
                                              last edited by 24 Apr 2024, 16:07

                                              @jjk_learning said in New "Mission" of RPF:

                                              I suppose the board will be able to handle it however they feel appropriate but I disagree strongly with the idea of going after someone's license over dietary disagreements such as this.

                                              Yes, they will. That's the point. To ask structured questions that require structured responses. On record.

                                              The issue is a bit more nuanced than "dietary disagreements". But you're entitled to indignation at the thought of it.

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                                                jjk_learning @ThinPicking
                                                last edited by 24 Apr 2024, 16:39

                                                @ThinPicking In what way is it more nuanced?

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                                                • ThinPickingT
                                                  ThinPicking @jjk_learning
                                                  last edited by 24 Apr 2024, 16:43

                                                  @jjk_learning

                                                  Other sources of cognition are available.

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                                                    Peatful @jjk_learning
                                                    last edited by 24 Apr 2024, 16:53

                                                    @jjk_learning said in New "Mission" of RPF:

                                                    @ThinPicking

                                                    I read that post but don't really understand the basis of the complaint. That Smith is endangering children? It reads to me like a personal attempt to destroy Smith's livelihood.

                                                    This same logic from that post could be used to go after someone who promotes discarding "essential fatty acid" PUFAs or anything else.

                                                    I suppose the board will be able to handle it however they feel appropriate but I disagree strongly with the idea of going after someone's license over dietary disagreements such as this.

                                                    Iirc it’s that Smith has “prescribed” low Vitamin A to children.
                                                    Developing…
                                                    children….

                                                    Do you have children?

                                                    I do
                                                    And if that’s true of him
                                                    It’s probably not a bad idea for him to back off there

                                                    https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/7832048/

                                                    https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S221339842030083X

                                                    Reprobates gonna reprobate
                                                    But
                                                    Baseless data given authoritatively probably needs checks and balances

                                                    One act of obedience is better than one hundred sermons.

                                                    -DB

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                                                      Jaffe @jjk_learning
                                                      last edited by 25 Apr 2024, 03:43

                                                      @jjk_learning said in New "Mission" of RPF:

                                                      It reads to me like a personal attempt to destroy Smith's livelihood.

                                                      I have no horse in this race, but that's exactly what that is lol.

                                                      All because of forum's change in direction.

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                                                      • ThinPickingT
                                                        ThinPicking @Jaffe
                                                        last edited by 25 Apr 2024, 11:18

                                                        @Jaffe

                                                        It’s not a horse race so that’s understandable, me neither. But I’m not seeing any thought at all here.

                                                        A licensed physician has a livelihood before they may appear to sharply deviate from standards of conduct, may appear to commercialise that deviation and may appear to silence debate while continuing to stand under credentials wrapped in a PLLC. Many in the going public could probably use a hand making sense of something like that before they consider making drastic alterations to their dietary behaviour. Particularly on the tail end of a (metaphorical) Westworld on the internet. I wouldn’t know though, because I’m not making claims, conducting an investigation and bringing suit. Just musing.

                                                        A case like this is probably just an example in a much bigger conversation. Without anyone alluding to etiquette and dishonour of diseased on social media. What could be wrong with a formal chat if nothing’s wrong.

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                                                          Peatful @Jaffe
                                                          last edited by Peatful 25 Apr 2024, 11:46

                                                          @Jaffe

                                                          somebody doesn’t complain and Smith gets a notification to appear before the Medical Examiners Board.

                                                          They vet the complaint or complaints.
                                                          There is an “investigation” prior to this process.
                                                          Therefore (and im speculating here because I know nothing about said case) this licensing agency or medical board - THEY have deemed there is something to look into.

                                                          This isn’t about Booboo on the RPF got his feelings hurt

                                                          This is the Board determining if anything needs addressing.
                                                          And if it’s about protecting children- I support it.

                                                          One act of obedience is better than one hundred sermons.

                                                          -DB

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                                                            jjk_learning @Jaffe
                                                            last edited by 25 Apr 2024, 12:33

                                                            @Jaffe Agreed. Tattling on a man whose personality and dietary strategy they don't like to try to destroy his livelihood. Because an internet forum changed course to promote that dietary strategy.

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                                                            • ThinPickingT
                                                              ThinPicking @jjk_learning
                                                              last edited by ThinPicking 25 Apr 2024, 12:35

                                                              @jjk_learning

                                                              Your frame of mind does not appear conducive to learning jjk.

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                                                              • Hando-JinH
                                                                Hando-Jin
                                                                last edited by 25 Apr 2024, 12:47

                                                                Someone possibly losing their pretentious title of doctor for whatever reason isn't something to spend much time on. The ND quacks are as bad as the MD quacks.

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                                                                • ThinPickingT
                                                                  ThinPicking @Hando-Jin
                                                                  last edited by 25 Apr 2024, 12:56

                                                                  @Hando-Jin said in New "Mission" of RPF:

                                                                  Someone possibly losing their pretentious title of doctor for whatever reason isn't something to spend much time on.

                                                                  Agreed.

                                                                  @Hando-Jin said in New "Mission" of RPF:

                                                                  The ND quacks are as bad as the MD quacks.

                                                                  Agreed.

                                                                  But if there's a road to bring Dr Peat's rightful inquiry about the necessity or order of licensing, hierarchy and profession to the fore. It probably involves a stepping stone or two.

                                                                  Medicine should probably be closer to home than it is. But where's home. Exactly.

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                                                                  • JenniferJ
                                                                    Jennifer @ThinPicking
                                                                    last edited by 25 Apr 2024, 17:15

                                                                    @ThinPicking said in New "Mission" of RPF:

                                                                    Medicine should probably be closer to home than it is.

                                                                    Agreed.

                                                                    @ThinPicking said in New "Mission" of RPF:

                                                                    But where's home. Exactly.

                                                                    The heart. IME, medicine is better insourced than outsourced.

                                                                    I have stood on a mountain of no’s for one yes. ~ B. Smith

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                                                                    • ThinPickingT
                                                                      ThinPicking @Jennifer
                                                                      last edited by 25 Apr 2024, 21:42

                                                                      @Jennifer

                                                                      A Jennifer... Wild horses? (A reference to a quotation that landed.)

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                                                                        Jaffe @Peatful
                                                                        last edited by 26 Apr 2024, 00:43

                                                                        @Peatful said in New "Mission" of RPF:

                                                                        @Jaffe

                                                                        somebody doesn’t complain and Smith gets a notification to appear before the Medical Examiners Board.

                                                                        They vet the complaint or complaints.
                                                                        There is an “investigation” prior to this process.
                                                                        Therefore (and im speculating here because I know nothing about said case) this licensing agency or medical board - THEY have deemed there is something to look into.

                                                                        This isn’t about Booboo on the RPF got his feelings hurt

                                                                        This is the Board determining if anything needs addressing.
                                                                        And if it’s about protecting children- I support it.

                                                                        Lol since when do we trust the Board to make a just decision?

                                                                        I watched Dr. Paul Thomas in real time get his license suspended, lose his practice, and ultimately forced into retirement by the Board over his vaccine beliefs. Something we all align with. He wasn’t even anti-vaccine. Didn’t matter. The Board made his life hell. It’s all documented on his YouTube channel.

                                                                        We all know Board investigations are just making sure you’re inline with their status quo.

                                                                        Sending complaints of Garret to the Board has nothing to do with patient safety concern, but some vendetta stemming from the RPF drama earlier in the year.

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                                                                          Peatful @Jaffe
                                                                          last edited by 26 Apr 2024, 01:20

                                                                          @Jaffe

                                                                          Yes
                                                                          Healthcare / the medical industrial complex is generally a cesspool of thought and action
                                                                          I know first hand- it is the sector in which I work

                                                                          Smith and RPF aside-
                                                                          Parents need to be encouraged to nourish- not restrict
                                                                          I don’t care if it’s keto, low vitamin A, vegan
                                                                          These are not good for children

                                                                          Not sure why one would support someone who is misguiding clients through pushing supplements and a subscription service of baseless science

                                                                          One act of obedience is better than one hundred sermons.

                                                                          -DB

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                                                                          • BioEclecticB
                                                                            BioEclectic
                                                                            last edited by 26 Apr 2024, 01:34

                                                                            I would think that Smith appearing before the medical examiners board would be using the process as intended.

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                                                                            • ThinPickingT
                                                                              ThinPicking @Jaffe
                                                                              last edited by 26 Apr 2024, 08:18

                                                                              @Jaffe said in New "Mission" of RPF:

                                                                              Lol since when do we trust the Board to make a just decision?

                                                                              I watched Dr. Paul Thomas in real time get his license suspended, lose his practice, and ultimately forced into retirement by the Board over his vaccine beliefs. Something we all align with. He wasn’t even anti-vaccine. Didn’t matter. The Board made his life hell. It’s all documented on his YouTube channel.

                                                                              We all know Board investigations are just making sure you’re inline with their status quo.

                                                                              Sending complaints of Garret to the Board has nothing to do with patient safety concern, but some vendetta stemming from the RPF drama earlier in the year.

                                                                              Your attempt to conflate the Arizona Naturopathic Physicians Medical Board with the Oregon Medical Board in different contexts is spurious at best. "The board" will apply due process and reveal its own faults on record. Which is one of the reasons "mainstream" medicine is in a state of utter disarray right now.

                                                                              The specifics in process are a democratic issue. And "certified" "professionals" bear some responsibility to shape or dismantle it in both directions for their proximity to institutions. Whether they like it or not. Whether they're engaged in conversation or being made an example.

                                                                              As do you. And I (different country, similar paradigm). Even if your metabolic rate is too low to think it through in context. Assuming there aren't other reasons you're being obtuse.

                                                                              Have a great day Jaffe.

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                                                                              • Hando-JinH
                                                                                Hando-Jin @Peatful
                                                                                last edited by 26 Apr 2024, 12:14

                                                                                @Peatful I think the solution there is for the parents to stop following the dictates of authority figures and fad trends rather than haul Dr Dipshit before the board.

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                                                                                • ThinPickingT
                                                                                  ThinPicking @Hando-Jin
                                                                                  last edited by 26 Apr 2024, 12:48

                                                                                  @Hando-Jin

                                                                                  America will probably be needing another temporary Elysium to deal with the consequences of this notion. A "Metaverse" is unlikely to cut the mustard.

                                                                                  It is of course entirely possible I'm simply missing Shaolin wisdom. I certainly wouldn't mess with a practitioner of such things.

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                                                                                    Peatful @Hando-Jin
                                                                                    last edited by 26 Apr 2024, 13:22

                                                                                    @Hando-Jin

                                                                                    Idealistically, of course

                                                                                    Again, this is my corner of the world,
                                                                                    and realistically, we need principled and “egoless” practitioners
                                                                                    Among many other things….

                                                                                    This is one of the primary reasons I paid attention to Peat

                                                                                    Compare these men…

                                                                                    One act of obedience is better than one hundred sermons.

                                                                                    -DB

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                                                                                      Peatful
                                                                                      last edited by 26 Apr 2024, 13:25

                                                                                      All this pro Smith or Smith is the victim (simplifying this because im at work) is shocking to me and quite misguided

                                                                                      One act of obedience is better than one hundred sermons.

                                                                                      -DB

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                                                                                      • Hando-JinH
                                                                                        Hando-Jin @Peatful
                                                                                        last edited by 26 Apr 2024, 13:48

                                                                                        @Peatful I feel like Smith's time in the sun ended already

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                                                                                          Peatful @Hando-Jin
                                                                                          last edited by 26 Apr 2024, 13:55

                                                                                          @Hando-Jin said in New "Mission" of RPF:

                                                                                          @Peatful I feel like Smith's time in the sun ended already

                                                                                          Well
                                                                                          Wouldn’t that be grand

                                                                                          If you ever want to explain why you think that-
                                                                                          Im all ears

                                                                                          One act of obedience is better than one hundred sermons.

                                                                                          -DB

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                                                                                          • Hando-JinH
                                                                                            Hando-Jin @Peatful
                                                                                            last edited by 26 Apr 2024, 14:04

                                                                                            @Peatful because we're the only idiots talking about him

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                                                                                            • ThinPickingT
                                                                                              ThinPicking
                                                                                              last edited by 26 Apr 2024, 14:11

                                                                                              Your inner and outer voice may be a touch more significant than you realise. But don't let it go to your head (hold it in your heart).

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                                                                                                Peatful @Hando-Jin
                                                                                                last edited by 26 Apr 2024, 14:47

                                                                                                @Hando-Jin

                                                                                                OK
                                                                                                Thx
                                                                                                not the angle I was expecting

                                                                                                They changed a whole website -
                                                                                                threw a genius of a man under the bus and has called his life’s work toxic because of their stupidity and lack of understanding

                                                                                                In principle alone- yes- I will talk about that

                                                                                                For me, ultimately, this is about the integrity of Peat’s name, work and legacy
                                                                                                It’s not about these unfuckable idiots

                                                                                                One act of obedience is better than one hundred sermons.

                                                                                                -DB

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                                                                                                  Peatly @Peatful
                                                                                                  last edited by 26 Apr 2024, 18:17

                                                                                                  Well said @Peatful, even the sweary bit 👍

                                                                                                  A successful depopulation agenda requires high excess death rates, lower birth rates and for the majority to vilify those that question it.

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                                                                                                    Peatful @Peatly
                                                                                                    last edited by 26 Apr 2024, 19:25

                                                                                                    @Peatly appreciate it

                                                                                                    One act of obedience is better than one hundred sermons.

                                                                                                    -DB

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                                                                                                      Regina
                                                                                                      last edited by 26 Apr 2024, 21:10

                                                                                                      Mike Fave!

                                                                                                      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QsMwvtKeuUc

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