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    PeatPioneer
    last edited by Jun 3, 2024, 9:54 AM

    As title suggests, what are peoples go too sun cream alternatives?

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      Kvirion @PeatPioneer
      last edited by Jun 3, 2024, 2:31 PM

      @PeatPioneer
      An internal sun-bathing "formula" is preferred, i.e., minimize PUFA intake, and take vitamins A+E, K2, Ca, Aspirin, coffee+, and coconut oil.

      A little learning is a dangerous thing ;
      Drink deep, or taste not the Pierian spring :
      There shallow draughts intoxicate the brain,
      And drinking largely sobers us again.
      ~Alexander Pope, An Essay on Criticism

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        BioEclectic
        last edited by BioEclectic Jun 3, 2024, 2:39 PM Jun 3, 2024, 2:37 PM

        Coconut oil mixed with just a bit of iodine and applied externally works well for me, had seen it discussed at the other forum. I would assume it should be the refined non-scented type.

        But yes I nearly do not sunburn after the dietary and supplement changes years ago.

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          DavidPS
          last edited by DavidPS Jun 3, 2024, 3:37 PM Jun 3, 2024, 3:35 PM

          Also vitamin D helps.

          Dr. Peat - "I used to sunburn terribly from, I guess, my 20s through my 60s. At 7,000 feet altitude, I found that I didn't sunburn at all. I could work outside for hours without turning bright red. And I've heard other people say that when they take vitamin D, they can then expose themselves to the sun without burning or even just a moderate degree of tanning. So if you are avoiding the sunlight for some reason, then you absolutely need to supplement” Source

          ““Effective health care depends on self-care” - Ivan Illich, 👀
          ☂️

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            DavidPS
            last edited by Jun 3, 2024, 3:46 PM

            I consider all of the things mentioned in this thread to be additive but they will not totally eliminate the effects of sun. I have added the herb Fernblock (Polypodium leucotomos Extract) to my sun care regime.

            Fernblock (Polypodium leucotomos Extract): Molecular Mechanisms and Pleiotropic Effects in Light-Related Skin Conditions, Photoaging and Skin Cancers, a Review

            Fernblock, a nutriceutical with photoprotective properties and potential preventive agent for skin photoaging and photoinduced skin cancers

            Fernblock prevents dermal cell damage induced by visible and infrared a radiation

            The Aqueous Extract of Polypodium leucotomos (Fernblock®) Regulates Opsin 3 and Prevents Photooxidation of Melanin Precursors on Skin Cells Exposed to Blue Light Emitted from Digital Devices

            The Combination of Sulforaphane and Fernblock® XP Improves Individual Beneficial Effects in Normal and Neoplastic Human Skin Cell Lines

            ““Effective health care depends on self-care” - Ivan Illich, 👀
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              DavidPS
              last edited by Jun 3, 2024, 3:59 PM

              Ultraviolet B-Induced DNA Damage in Human Epidermis Is Modified by the Antioxidants Ascorbic Acid and D-α-Tocophero

              ““Effective health care depends on self-care” - Ivan Illich, 👀
              ☂️

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                BioEclectic @DavidPS
                last edited by Jun 3, 2024, 4:04 PM

                @DavidPS
                interesting info as always, thank you!

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                  evan.hinkle
                  last edited by Jun 3, 2024, 4:14 PM

                  I used to burn terribly, (I assume avoiding PUFA has helped there). I never burn now because I do some “sun training” (I don’t know what to call it). Where I progressively expose myself to sun during spring so by summer I can go hours without burning. So I might go out in the sun for 7 minutes without a shirt, and work up to 10 in a few weeks, 15, and then 20 and so on until I can be out an hour or two without any burn. It takes some doing, but it works. It’s been years since I’ve had a bad burn.

                  When I did burn I would use aspirin topically and that usually healed it within a day.

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                    Insomniac
                    last edited by Insomniac Jun 3, 2024, 5:07 PM Jun 3, 2024, 4:41 PM

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                      basebolt
                      last edited by Jun 4, 2024, 5:48 AM

                      ingesting cocao powder has a protective effect against the sun

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                        DavidPS
                        last edited by DavidPS Jun 4, 2024, 8:58 AM Jun 4, 2024, 8:53 AM

                        Caffeic Acid Inhibits UVB-induced Inflammation and Photocarcinogenesis Through Activation of Peroxisome Proliferator-activated Receptor-γ in Mouse Skin​

                        From the Abstract:
                        UVB exposure for 10 consecutive days showed edema formation, increased lipid peroxidation and decreased antioxidant status with activation of inflammatory molecules such as TNF-α, IL-6, COX-2 and NF-κB. However, [caffeic acid] CA (15 mg per kg.b.wt.) administration before each UVB exposure decreased lipid peroxidation, inflammatory markers expression and enhanced antioxidant status probably through the activation of peroxisome proliferator-activated receptors (PPARγ) in the mice skin. PPARγ is considered a potential target for photochemoprevention because it inhibits UVB-mediated inflammatory responses.

                        Both topical (CAT) and intraperitoneal (CAIP) treatment before each UVB exposure downregulates iNOS, VEGF, TGF-β, upregulates p53 and reduces tumors multiplicity in the mice skin.


                        Despite its name, caffeic acid is present in foods other than caffeine.
                        Caffeic Acid: Benefits, Sources, and Foods

                        ““Effective health care depends on self-care” - Ivan Illich, 👀
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                          KippleRemover @PeatPioneer
                          last edited by Jun 5, 2024, 8:14 AM

                          @PeatPioneer
                          I work outside everyday and I was looking for a sunscreen alternative for a while.
                          Diet is important and you have to build up your resistance to sunlight starting with the morning light.
                          I use idealabs solban on my face every morning if I have to work under the sun all day, last week I forgot it once and got a minor sunburn.

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