Calcification of middle ear
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Hi
Looking for some advice or ideas regading my hearing loss, which is caused by calcification of the middle ear bones(stapes) . These are very tiny bones and in some people, mostly women, calcium deposits appear on these bones which results in hearing loss.
So, I don't think I have calcifications in soft tissue, but on bone, not sure if this makes a difference.I am 48, female, things that I have tried are:progesterone (been using it for many years), vitamin k2 mk4 in doses up to 10mg per day, magnesium.
Any thoughts? Can these calcium deposits be dissolved somehow?
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@happycat
Hi,
What about your status for vitamin D3?
Do you take calcium supplement?
What is your last TSH level (thyroid)?
ratio Ca / P
Useful info (on ratio + balance on Ca and P)
Phosphorus and calcium – Chris Masterjohn
https://raypeatforum.com/community/threads/phosphorus-and-calcium-chris-masterjohn.47891/At 256: Chris Masterjohn on Decoding What Your Body Really Needs
"Parathyroid hormone goes up, in either of those situations, not enough D in calcium or too much phosphorus. And if you feed someone meat, which is very rich in phosphorus, it doesn’t do anything to their parathyroid hormone. If you feed someone cheese, which is high in both phosphorus and calcium, it decreases their parathyroid hormone, which is a good thing.And if you feed someone packaged foods that have phosphorus additives, it increases their parathyroid hormone, which is a bad thing. So, you have processed foods = bad, meat = neutral, dairy products = good, in terms of affecting the balance of vitamin D, calcium, and phosphorus. So, the reasons for that, probably has something to do with the forms of phosphorus that are added to the food. They might be much more absorbable than the phosphorus from natural food. But it’s also because meat, for example, has amino acids that help you absorb calcium better from your diet. And so, meat isn’t just providing phosphorus, it’s also facilitating better calcium status when it’s consumed in the context of a mixed diet. And then, dairy products are actually providing that calcium. So, even though the phosphorus can antagonize the calcium, they’re providing enough calcium to not only make up for the phosphorus, but to put you in an even better situation than you would be without those dairy products. So, when we look at the calcium requirements, there’s a gray area because we don’t have a lot of data taking people who eat plenty of animal protein, plenty of dairy products, get really good vitamin D status, and don’t have any packaged foods in the diet, we don’t have a lot of data in those people. And it’s probably the case that calcium needs are lower in those people. It’s just, I don’t know how much lower they are. So my opinion is, you know, shoot for the 1,000-milligram mark, you can probably get away with consuming maybe 600 or 700 milligrams of calcium if you optimize everything else."
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@LucH
Thank you.I don't take calcium supplements. My last TSH was 1.7, vitamin D 42.
I don't know my Ca/P ratio, would dietary phosphorus have anything to do with calcification? -
@happycat said in Calcification of middle ear:
I don't know my Ca/P ratio, would dietary phosphorus have anything to do with calcification?
yes we need P to assimilate Ca, but not too high (less): P 1 / Ca 2.2 is well.
I'd try to balance Ca Mg K2 et D3.
But you don't lack Ca if you are above 650 mg. Optimal 850 mg.
You don't lack Ca if you eat cheese, drink milk or eat oat or leaves, such as kale, turnip greens, and beet greens. mind excess oxalates for optimal assimilation.
But I don't think the problem is there (lack of Ca). Rather elsewhere. I don't know where. Sorry.
Perhaps vitamin D receptors are overloaded by unfit molecules.
If you lack vit A (retinol), this could be an explanation too: Retinol is required to activate the process (MGP).Useful info for other readers;
*) ca assimilation
The calcium assimilation rate is around 32 % for dairy products, 21 % for almonds and sesame, 60 % for cabbage & broccoli.
To facilitate its absorption, some minerals will be essential to the body: magnesium and vitamins A, C and K2. Vitamin D is necessary for the intestinal absorption of calcium.
The phosphate rate must be between 0.5 and 2 or 2.5. Cow's milk is at +/ 1.2/ 2.
*) Need for vit A (not carotenes) to activate MGP (Masterjohn) and assimilate calcium.
• Vitamins A and D increase the amount of activated MGP together, even more than vitamin D alone, but completely eliminates the increase in non -carboxyle toxic MGP.
Thus, a balanced contribution in vitamins A and amplifies the benefits of vitamin D while eliminating its side effects.
And K2 is necessary to activate protein carboxylation.
"We" deduce that the optimal ratio vitamin A / vitamin D in IU must be less than 5 for 1. We estimate this ratio of 2.5 per 1, (in favor of vitamin A).
Note: Don't take high amount of vit A in one supply.
Reference:
Fu X et al. 9-Cis retinoic acid reduces 1alpha,25-dihydroxycholecalciferol-induced renal calcification by altering vitamin K-dependent gamma-carboxylation of matrix gamma-carboxyglutamic acid protein in A/J male mice. Journal of Nutrition 2008 Dec;138(12):2337–41 doi: 10.3945/jn.108.093724. -
@happycat My wife had the same issue and changed to applying the K2 behind her ear. She only uses 2-4 mg each ear because she said she could feel the effects and a higher dose was too intense.
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@NotShanalotte
Thank you for this, I was wondering if I should put a drop of Thorne vit K2 inside my ear.
Did she have an improvement in hearing? -
@LucH
Thank you.
For sure the problem is improper calcium metabolism, so difficult to know exactly how to approach this. -
@happycat Yes, it took many applications over several weeks due the discomfort of higher doses. We tried inside the ear but it was messy and painful, so I had her switch to behind and under the ear instead. In her case, the damage was from when she was a small child and the tissue calcified.
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@NotShanalotte
Thank you so much for sharing, that's fantastic, it has given me so much hope. -
@happycat You're welcome!
