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    Ideas for knocking out "hidden" lymphatic bacterial infection

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    • yerragY
      yerrag @evan.hinkle
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      @evan-hinkle

      Once I get to be metabolically near optimal point, the body just ceases to becoming an easy ground for infections to develop. I've observed this with the cats I care for - though it's harder for me to test them for metabolic health. But outwardly, with their energy and their positive disposition, they show that the food I feed them are bearing good results. It becomes easier caring for them. Tick infestations just disappear. Their fur don't shed as often.

      I see the Terrain Theory of Beauchamp as being my basis for good microbial health and more and more with each 'infectious illness" being dealt more along what I consider my own adaptation of Terrain Theory (given how Germ Theory and its wide and almost exclusive adoption has competitively excluded Terrain Theory, and I have to make do).

      One aspect of metabolically optimal health is that acid-base balance is always present, along with blood sugar balance. These are IMHO two very simple tests that can easily do away with the many specific tests when one is short of funds for the many tests we have to undergo.

      Because acid-base balance reflects the level of optimality in the way we produce energy, in which CO2 is abundant as a very effective pH buffer, we are in a pH where our microbiome are in balance. In balance, the microbes are all commensal and regulatory, each having a role to play in keeping our somatic cells in food working order.

      This keeps our body from playing host to pathogens, which are just microbes that have morphed from commensal form, and become dominant - as a result of the poor acid-base balance in the body.

      Without this prerequisite in place, any attempt to kill off infections will only be an endless battle with nature inside us. Not understanding the nature in us leads us to treat a simple manifestation of imbalance with outsize force with wrong weapons, and only feeds the conflict.

      Temporal thinking is the faculty that’s
      engaged by an enriched environment, but it’s
      wrong to call it “thinking,” because it’s simply
      the way organisms exist... - Ray Peat Nov 2017 Newsletter

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        LetTheRedeemed
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        Experiment:

        1.) I'm using caprylic and lauric acid found in MCT oil, based on a Haidut quote referring to them as potent antibiotics. For the first 2 days, I took about a quarter teaspoon or less mixed with Greek yogurt, to mitigate digestive issues, and that has become untenable. I'm trying rubbing as much topically as I can, and will keep revisiting ingestion, however small a dose. Topically should be more effective as it bypasses the liver and goes strait to the blood stream, and since MCT oil is suspended in MCT oil it should have a 100% absorption rate 😛

        2.) I'm also using topical Methylene Blue (rub it in with water - you'd be surprised how quickly it's totally absorbed and the stain leaves - I re-rub the same stained spot on my arm with water throughout the day...

        3.) Tonight, I'm gonna try adding D3 and Haidut's Estroban to the belly button for the antimicrobial activity of the fat soluble vitamins.

        "Miracle Mineral Solution" (MMS) seems like a likely solution...

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          A Former User @LetTheRedeemed
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          @LetTheRedeemed trying to separate the antibiotic from the excipients like that would just be annoying. i get that excipients are le bad but i doubt it is worth messing up the dose trying to do that.

          anyways you could dissolve the tablet in 95% grain alcohol and then mix it with the vitamin E. a little bit of olive oil probably helps if the mixture is too thick to stir even with alcohol.

          mitolipin is super thick and annoying to try and get out of the bottle. regular tocovit comes out way easier.

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            LetTheRedeemed @A Former User
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            @noodlecat59 ooh good to know.

            What would you say are optimum ratios of tocovit and grain alcohol to the crushed antibiotic? 1:1:1?

            I know these are free answers so thanks for your kindness!

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              A Former User @LetTheRedeemed
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              @LetTheRedeemed whatever minimum amount alcohol dissolves the tablet then for the vit e idk probably not that much

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                LetTheRedeemed @A Former User
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                @noodlecat59 cool I’ll play around with it

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                  NNight @LetTheRedeemed
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                  @LetTheRedeemed

                  "Consequently, the effects of B species deficiency in the microbiota could be: (a) dysbiosis, an alteration in the symbiosis between the human/animal host and the microbiota; in our opinion, this is due to the lack of B, which results in the deficiency of the AI-2B signaling molecule; (b) increased intestinal permeability (known as “leaky gut syndrome”) and translocation of the IM from the gut lumen to the systemic circulation due to the lack of B in the structure of the mucin gel. From mucin separation techniques, the interaction of B with glycosylation sites within mucins and O-glycosylated linear glycoproteins is well known. B deficiency thus determines the interaction of the bacterial biofilm directly with the membranes of the host cell and, therefore, the infection of the host."

                  New Insights into Boron Essentiality in Humans and Animals

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                  • yerragY
                    yerrag @LetTheRedeemed
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                    @LetTheRedeemed

                    Good luck!

                    It's easier said than done

                    But we all have to face the problem personally to know what the task ahead entails. I said my piece already earlier.

                    Temporal thinking is the faculty that’s
                    engaged by an enriched environment, but it’s
                    wrong to call it “thinking,” because it’s simply
                    the way organisms exist... - Ray Peat Nov 2017 Newsletter

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                    • DavidPSD
                      DavidPS
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                      The lympathic system requires movement to circulate the lympathic fluids. I have springtime allergies and use this massage to move the fluids in my sinuses. Here is routine that I use.
                      Self Lymph Drainage Massage

                      Obviously, the massage I use does not impact all of the lymph nodes in the body.
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                      Alternatively, you might consider watching some dry brushing videos or bouncing on a rebounder.

                      ““Effective health care depends on self-care” - Ivan Illich, 👀
                      ☂️

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                        LetTheRedeemed @DavidPS
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                        @DavidPS nice. Thanks a ton! I’ll check it out

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                          LetTheRedeemed @yerrag
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                          @yerrag hey thanks for the comment prior! Apologies for not having responded. The acid/base balance reminds me of the value of urea that I should probably add back in to my regiment

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                            LetTheRedeemed @NNight
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                            @NNight very interesting. Thanks. I’ll look more into boron dosage…

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                              A Former User @LetTheRedeemed
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                              if you dont care to mess with the antibiotic pills straight away, maybe try high dose k2 mk4 (15mg+ plus depending on your weight). iirc georgi said that k2 mk4 could be dosed equivalently to things like doxycycline etc for the antimicrobial effect. so maybe you could even try like 100mg of k2 mk4 a day. i take 20mg k2 mk4 off and on and it feels antimicrobial in the way it cleans out the gut everytime i restart it.

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                              • yerragY
                                yerrag @LetTheRedeemed
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                                @LetTheRedeemed

                                The use of urea internally only improves the liver, as past the liver it is metabolized. Moreover, urea does little to change the acid-base balance. Having acid base balance is largely a result of producing adequate amounts of CO2 as a product of mitochondrial metabolism. That goes to say that anaerobic glycolysis, which produces lactic acid, is minimized. Likewise with depending too much on fatty acid oxidation, which produces keto acids.

                                What can contribute to more acidity is how the body responds to toxins and infections, and in the intake of drugs, which is something a perfectly healthy body does not have to be burdened with.

                                What is normal and allowable is the intake of meat, which is acidic, but is something which the normal regulation of pH with the lungs and kidneys, is equipped to handle. Which would explain the urine being acidic during the day but becomes alkaline at night, as it is during the night that the body catches up with getting the acid-base balance back from the acidity incurred from eating meat.

                                Temporal thinking is the faculty that’s
                                engaged by an enriched environment, but it’s
                                wrong to call it “thinking,” because it’s simply
                                the way organisms exist... - Ray Peat Nov 2017 Newsletter

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                                  LetTheRedeemed @yerrag
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                                  @yerrag interesting. I'm definitely eating things and supplementing things that should be promoting CO2 production and general pro-metabolic

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                                    LetTheRedeemed @A Former User
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                                    @noodlecat59 Oh cool. I'll definitely add that! about to make Georgi a rich man, lol

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                                      Regina @yerrag
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                                      @yerrag You should be a psychologist too. 😁

                                      Would be the same advice for someone invaded with toxic people.

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                                        LetTheRedeemed @Regina
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                                        @Regina hahh

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                                          LetTheRedeemed @NNight
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                                          @NNight nuts:

                                          Haidut:

                                          Boron is HIGHLY estrogenic. The bodybuilding community was crazy about it in the 1990s, but then they found out first hand that it raises estrogen (I think all 3 types) and dumped it. Boron has similar effects to cadmium, nickel, cobalt, etc and they are all estrogenic and carcinogenic in higher doses.
                                          Peat is right that unless you are deficient you'd better not mess with it. See below for a study in men.
                                          http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2FBF02785299
                                          "...Supplementation with 10 mg B/d for 4 wk resulted in 84% of the supplemented dose being recovered in the urine. Plasma estradiol concentrations increased significantly as a result of supplementation (51.9±21.4 to 73.9±22.2 pmol/L;p<0.004) and there was a trend for plasma testosterone levels to be increased. However, there was no difference in plasma lipids or the oxidizability of low-density lipoprotein Our studies suggest that the absorption efficiency of B is very high and estimation of the urinary B concentration may provide a useful reflection of B intake. In addition, the elevation of endogenous estrogen as a result of supplementation suggests a protective role for B in atherosclerosis."

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                                            NNight @LetTheRedeemed
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                                            @LetTheRedeemed To be fair, boron is also testosterogenic.

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