I have proof of dozens of guys regrowing from "it's over" levels of bald with high pufa diets and pro-nitric oxide things
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You are insufferable. I can see why Danny blocked you; he has a pretty good handle on how to best use social media.
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My personal experience in nearly 4+ years of reading the RP forum is that hair regrowth is such a minor secondary topic there.
Anyone doing online searches for hair loss support would probably never even find that forum. The folks who do go there are nearly always going for other reasons.
Which basically means the hand wringing in starting this thread is much ado about nothing.
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there was a study where people taking Taurine could reduce their spironolactone intake
So I assume spiro and taurine are doing the same thing inside the body
It can also vasodilate like minoxidil
dermarolling everyday with topical taurine in vodka could be interesting
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@xeliex nice result.
Is his group/ forum a paid one?
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@antiracistracist why would you want to 'put on lots of muscle mass'?
Framing it like that's a desirable goal for any man with a healthy brain... you are screwed
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i found the info where they replace spironolacton with taurine
https://books.google.co.uk/books?isbn=3319151266
Janusz Marcinkiewicz, Stephen W. Schaffer - 2015 - Science
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patient that received taurine therapy showed significant improvements in the signs of heart failure (fatigue, orthopnea, and dyspnea). Prior to being treated with taurine, the patient was being treated with furosemide, digoxin, and spironolactone, but taurine therapy reduced the need for digoxin and spironolactone" -
@wester130 would love to follow up on this. Where can you find Hans Amato group?
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what has hans amato got to do with it?? :S
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@CO3 said in I have proof of dozens of guys regrowing from "it's over" levels of bald with high pufa diets and pro-nitric oxide things:
@antiracistracist why would you want to 'put on lots of muscle mass'?
Framing it like that's a desirable goal for any man with a healthy brain... you are screwed
Most men look much better with a solid amount of muscle mass. It’s the number 1 looksmax there is.
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@GreekDemiGod "Looksmaxx"? Why? It's all deep mental illness. Men 'look good' (not even something you shoudl EVER think about) when they look healthy and natural. This means not overweight, so a natural amount of muscle, which in a healthy male is quite a large amount naturally
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@antiracistracist there's no way. No one will ever believe this
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@CO3 said in I have proof of dozens of guys regrowing from "it's over" levels of bald with high pufa diets and pro-nitric oxide things:
@GreekDemiGod "Looksmaxx"? Why? It's all deep mental illness. Men 'look good' (not even something you shoudl EVER think about) when they look healthy and natural. This means not overweight, so a natural amount of muscle, which in a healthy male is quite a large amount naturally
Men look good when they had a proper development in childhood and adolescence, with plenty of testosterone in the system.
Men look naturally good being tall, with broad shoulders, thick wrists and forearms.
For those with stunted development, the gym is the only hope to make them look more human and less stunted. -
Don’t be mad dat we strong bois who can bully you
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This is a valid question. Why do some PUFA- laden people have good hair, while PUFA-free people in the RPF struggle with hair growth?
I hope Irephrased the question correctly?
I myself am PUFA-free. I'm not bald, but my hair isn't as lush as my 80+ year-old uncle's and my cousin's, and my 70+ year-old neighbor's, all men. All of them are not practicing PUFA-free lifestyles, and all are heavy on maintenance drugs.
That question I have asked myself. That can only lead me to conclude that being PUFA-free isn't a guarantee of good lush hair, nor be a significant factor in good hair growth.
Why should we think that good lush hair and healthy and high mitochondrial metabolism comes hand in hand?
Does the body consider having lots of hair being correlated to having healthy metabolism and having great immunity and long life when having more hair does not make you more immune nor longer lived? As having more hair may just mean more energy and nutrients needed for lush hair is allocated to producing thick hair.
It's not always the case that there is a healthy surplus of resources, and that this surplus goes to having more hair. But I'm not saying having excess energy and nutrients doesn't give you good hair. I'm pretty sure it does (increase that likelihood).
But what if, regardless of one having optimal metabolism (from being PUFA-free) or poor metabolism (from being PUFA-rich), if one possesses enough nutrients needed to grow lots of hair, such that not one raw material is even lacking.
Do we even know all the raw materials needed to grow lots of hair? If there were 10 raw materials needed and just one is lacking, that one material may be all that is la king to cause poor hair, wouldn't it?
Let us say plenty of sulfur is needed, and the body is using that sulfur for something else where the body considers more important for survival, wouldn't a person be bald if the body does not leave enough sulfur for hair to grow because the body allocated correctly the available sulfur supply in order to increase its chances of survival because the sulfur is allocated to producing a vital protein ?
Let us say that the protein is albumin, and that the body has infection that causes the immune system to produce a lot of ROS to destroy the microbes. In the process, a lot of spillover ROS results as well, which threatens to destroy peripheral tissues in the body.
And so the body deploys it's chief extracellular antioxidant, albumin, as an antioxidant, to neutralize the ROS. In doing, the albumin becomes oxidized. And the oxidized albumin is excreted thru urine.
If the infection I recurring, and the use of albumin occurs daily, and the liver has to keep replacing the albumin lost as oxidized albumin in urine, would this cause much less albumin to be allocated to growing hair?
Certainly, being bald would be a good tradeoff for keeping tissues and organs from being destroyed, right?
So what would it be, more hair or less one organ?
You can easily see the smoke and mirrors going on when OP gives the false association of being PUFA-full and having more hair.
OP himself can be said to be full of something else.
Full of shit!
However, in the interest of fairness, he should be commended for asking a very good question! More, please.
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@RawGoatMilk88 said in I have proof of dozens of guys regrowing from "it's over" levels of bald with high pufa diets and pro-nitric oxide things:
Don’t be mad dat we strong bois who can bully you
See but this is what I mean, you are mentally ill and clearly have some odd disordered fantasies. The issue is that you have no regard for what a healthy state of mind would be like. For me it means rarely thinking about 'big muscles' and 'strong bois bullying weak guys'. That feels very foreign to me.
Thanks to reading and listening to Ray's ideas I've improved my physique a lot, but I rarely think about it, and never would it occur to me to go into a gym to do unhealthy stressful eccentric exercise to 'be bigger'. I wouldn't say this to a person who isn't pretending to care about health and is aware of Ray's ideas - or pretends to be - but this means you have a deeply rooted mental illness.
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I think the deeply rooted mental illness is taking yourself so seriously that you can’t detect an obvious joke. Were you vaccinated as a child?
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@antiracistracist send this to kevin mann
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Castrated men don't go bald. You know what you gotta do now OP...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pattern_hair_lossI was raised on a high pufa standard healthy diet (chicken for protein/low saturated fat/complex carbs/veggies). I was suffering immense hairloss into my twenties and suffer MPB. Where's my success story, op??
This has been explained ad nauseum by Peat and Danny, so I don't blame Danny blocking you. I'll answer once then block you myself for your anti-curiosity, anti-masculine, vigorless copium:
Estrogen is an anti-inflammatory stress hormone: it increases local water retention. This increases local bloodflow and possibly decalcification. It's what happens in the long term -- which is what happened to me, and most others. Many people on mainstream estrogenic protocols experience a reversal of results after a year or more. If you already have an excellent metabolism, I'm sure you can resist a lot of stressors and chronic estrogen application. I don't believe I ever heard Danny or Ray say the estrogenic process doesn't yield hair growth, but that long term they are toxic and don't fix the underlying condition. Chronically elevated estrogen WILL lower metabolism, and with it temperature and bloodflow in various tissues in the body.
In, I believe minoxidil, one of the metabolites is actually functionally like epitestosterone (same as spironolactone) -- something the body wants to convert testosterone to, in hair follicle locations, but what the impaired metabolism blocks. In this case it's not actually the function of estrogen.
Courtesy of Elephanto on RPF:
"An high IGF1/IGFBP-3 ratio is predictive of baldness. Estrogen increases IGF-1 and inhibits IGFBP-3.
Increasing IGF-1 by a single standard deviation increases balding risks by 31%. Increasing IGFBP-3 by a single standard deviation decreases balding risks by 38%.
https://www.mcgill.ca/pollak-lab/fi...ing_plasma_insulin_like_growth_factor_1_0.pdf
Estradiol, progesterone, and transforming growth factor alpha regulate insulin-like growth factor binding protein-3 (IGFBP3) expression in mouse en... - PubMed - NCBI
In these two studies, they find High Estrogen and Cortisol in balding men :
Hormonal basis of male and female androgenic alopecia: clinical relevance. - PubMed - NCBIHormonal parameters in androgenetic hair loss in the male. - PubMed - NCBI
The cascade often starts before Estrogen. Endotoxins and/or Serotonin promote chronically high Cortisol which promotes Estrogen synthesis. Cortisol promotes DHT. DHEA-S which is significantly higher in balding men is a marker of stress. Inflammatory cytokines and prostaglandins also induce aromatase expression and estrogen synthesis.
Serum elevation of dehydroepiandrosterone sulfate associated with male pattern baldness in young men. - PubMed - NCBI
Acute and chronic stress increase DHEAS concentrations in rhesus monkeys
Zinc, which is anti-estrogenic, anti-inflammatory, anti-bacterial, anti-cortisol and inhibits Nitric Oxide is significantly lower in all types of hair loss, including male pattern baldness.
Analysis of Serum Zinc and Copper Concentrations in Hair Loss
http://www.ijdvl.com/article.asp?is...ssue=6;spage=741;epage=741;aulast=Aiempanakit"
Game, Set, OP sacrifices his nuts in a tragic vanity accident, Match.
