Assumimg I have dysbiosis gut is made worse by any soluable fiber and insoluable
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@sneedful interesting, thanks for the share.
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@sneedful said in Assumimg I have dysbiosis gut is made worse by any soluable fiber and insoluable:
@LetTheRedeemed coconut oil literally enhances some of the bacteria that can cause these issues particularly bilophila wadsworthia and others that feed in bile acids
Is that to say coconut oil is pro bacteria? I've never heard this before, but from my experience with coconut oil, I could see this being the case. I don't feel well when I take it. This is really pronounced when I take it straight, but I'm now considering even within food it may negatively affect me.
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@Mossy said in Assumimg I have dysbiosis gut is made worse by any soluable fiber and insoluable:
- Is that to say coconut oil is pro bacteria?
2.I've never heard this before,
3.but from my experience with coconut oil, I could see this being the case. I don't feel well when I take it.
4.This is really pronounced when I take it straight, but I'm now considering even within food it may negatively affect me.
- some kinds of SFA are useful , but excess unbalance is not appropriate. Let's say 45/45/10 %.
- doi: 10.1159/000371687
Interactions between diet, bile acid metabolism, gut microbiota, and Inflammatory Bowel Diseases.
=> excess SFA, sugar and lack of veggies. - Listen to your body. Stop 1 month with coconut oil. Then take 2 x1 tsp with a meal.
Other kinds from butter and free-range cattle / poultry / duck / ... - Coconut oil has the capacity to kill LPS bacteria. Liver overburdened. Need some olive oil to carry them away. Not advised to take coco at he beginning of a detox, or when you take antibiotics.
When I have have problem to digest food:
- enzymedica lipogold (when bloating)
-- Betaine HCL (with ginger & gentian bitters), from Doctor's best. once a day, at evening meal.
- Is that to say coconut oil is pro bacteria?
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@Mossy im probably wrong about that tbh
coconut oil is generally anti bacterial. that bacteria bilophilia wadsworthia and some others feed off bile and increased fat intake can increase bile but coconut oil is mostly absorbed by another method, so in general coconut oil is anti bacterial and @LucH is probably right
so I retract the previous statement saying coconut oil can feed bacteria.
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@LucH said in Assumimg I have dysbiosis gut is made worse by any soluable fiber and insoluable:
@Mossy said in Assumimg I have dysbiosis gut is made worse by any soluable fiber and insoluable:
- Is that to say coconut oil is pro bacteria?
2.I've never heard this before,
3.but from my experience with coconut oil, I could see this being the case. I don't feel well when I take it.
4.This is really pronounced when I take it straight, but I'm now considering even within food it may negatively affect me.
- some kinds of SFA are useful , but excess unbalance is not appropriate. Let's say 45/45/10 %.
- doi: 10.1159/000371687
Interactions between diet, bile acid metabolism, gut microbiota, and Inflammatory Bowel Diseases.
=> excess SFA, sugar and lack of veggies. - Listen to your body. Stop 1 month with coconut oil. Then take 2 x1 tsp with a meal.
Other kinds from butter and free-range cattle / poultry / duck / ... - Coconut oil has the capacity to kill LPS bacteria. Liver overburdened. Need some olive oil to carry them away. Not advised to take coco at he beginning of a detox, or when you take antibiotics.
When I have have problem to digest food:
- enzymedica lipogold (when bloating)
-- Betaine HCL (with ginger & gentian bitters), from Doctor's best. once a day, at evening meal.
Much appreciated, LucH. I will consider and apply some of these.
- Is that to say coconut oil is pro bacteria?
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@sneedful said in Assumimg I have dysbiosis gut is made worse by any soluable fiber and insoluable:
@Mossy im probably wrong about that tbh
coconut oil is generally anti bacterial. that bacteria bilophilia wadsworthia and some others feed off bile and increased fat intake can increase bile but coconut oil is mostly absorbed by another method, so in general coconut oil is anti bacterial and @LucH is probably right
so I retract the previous statement saying coconut oil can feed bacteria.
Thanks for clarifying. I appreciate your explanation.
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@Mossy I appreciate your appreciation
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I'll assume these are accurate for the supplements you're taking, unless you respond otherwise:
https://www.amazon.com/Doctors-Best-Betaine-Gentian-Bitters/dp/B00HA67WCQ
https://www.amazon.com/Enzymedica-Supplement-Digestion-capsules-servings/dp/B00124UKJ4
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@Samyo I tried the whole ray peat style metabolic eating when I had SIBO but it did not help. When the gut microbiome is in dysbiosis you need to address that directly. You have no poops on no fiber diet. This is actually quite normal. Carnivore people only poop 3x a week. No fiber no poop because your body digests and absorbs everything. It’s fiber which is indigestible and must come out the back end.
For a normal protocol I would recommend doing 2-3 weeks of antimicrobials. For example Dysbiocide and FC Cidal with Oregano oil drops. Take twice a day until finished. Google “baking soda stomach acid test” to see if you have low stomach acid. If low then take betain hcl, digestive bitters, or apple cider vinegar before meals. Also take Ox Bile 200-500mg 1.5hrs after meals. Don’t take it with meals because it will alkalize the stomach which you don’t want.
Bile is a laxative as well as antibacterial to wash out any unwanted bacteria in the small intestines (probiotics belong in your colon).
Do a lot of walking or movements throughout the day. This helps the MMC. Very important to keep food moving along the intestines and not being sluggish which feeds the bacteria. Another way is to do stomach massages 2hrs after meals. Simply press down from the solar plexus down to your groin. You’re manually pushing things along the intestines. Also very effective. Some people buy supplements for Motility that have artichoke leaf extract and ginger. They’re expensive. Might as well just do walking or massage. Or you can buy artichoke leaf extract by itself and take some ginger.
After your anti-bacterial protocol and fixing your stomach acid and bile production. Then you start on a selective soluble fiber protocol to feed the good guys. Yes it feeds the bad guys too, but the bad guys like proteins and sugars more so your good guys will benefit more from these fibers and eventually overpower the bad ones. Twice a day take 1 tbsp PGHH, 1 tbsp stabilized rice bran or wheat bran or rye bran or barley bran, 1 heaping teaspoon inulin, 2x Granny Smith apples for the pectin. 1 tbsp unmodified potato starch (don’t take the starch if you have constipation). If you have constipation use 1 tbsp psyllium husk. Add it last and drink quick or it will gel up. You may get bloating for the first 2-3 weeks as your microbiome is adjusting but it will level out.
The first time I had SIBO I followed Dr ruscios protocol with antibacterials and triple probiotics and fasting as well as with leaky gut healing supplements, but this time I’m doing the protocol I mentioned above. Check out Guy Daniels on YouTube. Makes a lot of sense and it’s much cheaper than buying all sorts of supplements like probiotics or leaky gut stuff or antimicrobials for months and months.
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@sneedful I think coconut oil is only helpful for candida which is higher up in the intestinal tract. It never did anything for my SIBO.
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@Samyo, do you have access to raw milk and if so, have you tried it? I experienced the same issue as you, even after eliminating the methane SIBO (causes constipation) that I had, when pasteurized dairy comprised the majority of my diet and my diet was fiber-free. My skin and gut were happy but like you, I had rabbit stools. Also, I’m not sure why but eggs caused constipation too, until I switched to eggs from heirloom hens. With raw milk and heirloom eggs, even without fiber, my eliminations are perfect.
I have stood on a mountain of no’s for one yes. ~ B. Smith
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@ora Proper gut motility relies on thyroid function more than fiber.
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@LetTheRedeemed said in Assumimg I have dysbiosis gut is made worse by any soluable fiber and insoluable:
ity relies on thyroid function
I am unlikey hypo
even Ray had fiber
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@Samyo
”…more than fiber.”Ray did mention fiber for stool bulking, but the principle purpose of the carrot or oat bran in his diet was for keeping the gut cleaned via its antimicrobial and bile binding action, he didn’t eat it with each meal throughout the day, which one would do if they were trying to maintain stool bulk and motility.
I learned about the metabolism’s impact on gut motility precisely from Ray. The whole “fiber makes the gut move” is normie science based on conditional truths (like if you’ve already got a decent metabolism + SIBO). I kept incorporating fibers including carrot, and kept stopping my gut up… it wasn’t until about a year on thyroid that now I can eat daily carrot without getting migraines and constipation.
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@LetTheRedeemed i was day 4 into this carrot salad, i cant take it anymore, my skin is destroyed, my forehead proper dry, skin barrerier now damaged
I now have to eat a diet of eggs and milk for about a week get my skin back to where its best
I have my eyebrows, im not cold, im full of energy. how can i be hypo?
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@LetTheRedeemed Even a probiotic greek yogurt makes my forehead dry and inflammed, starts with the itch...
Coffee and white sugar seem to make my lower face red / inflammed/dry
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@Samyo said in Assumimg I have dysbiosis gut is made worse by any soluable fiber and insoluable:
i was day 4 into this carrot salad, i cant take it anymore, my skin is destroyed, my forehead proper dry, skin barrerier now damaged
Were you eating a carrot salad more than once a day? Without making pause / a turn-around?
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@Samyo If any food is causing breakouts, that's generally textbook SIBO.
The carrot can cause problems if you have slow motility. You could try one bite of plain carrot 30 minutes before each meal and see how you do.
Carrot salad is functioning like an antibiotic, so a herx reaction is common for many (die-off symptoms).
have you tried the oat bran with calcium carbonate? That's a softer means of bile-binding and antibiotic action, that Ray suggested. An even softer one is well boiled mushrooms (blended for max benefit; Danny Roddy has a simple recipe).
One of Ray's principles is that one should stick with food that cause least irritation, and slowly introduce new foods, even if those foods are for helping heal the problem.
