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      the_black_jew @S.Holmes
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      it works but the acetylcholine stim can get overloaded which can cause nausea and a pretty horrific depression

      the human equivalent dose that stimulates nad+ is like 1-2mg over the course of an entire day

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        S.Holmes @the_black_jew
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        @the_black_jew said in Nicotine for Long Covid:

        it works but the acetylcholine stim can get overloaded which can cause nausea and a pretty horrific depression

        the human equivalent dose that stimulates nad+ is like 1-2mg over the course of an entire day

        Good to know. I'll keep an eye on that. Maybe I'll just use the patch every other day and see how it goes.

        Dr. Ardis uses a 3 mg patch every day, and he said he will for the rest of his life. I wonder how he is able to do that without experiencing depression.

        Thoughts?

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          the_black_jew @S.Holmes
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          @S-Holmes 3mg over a full day is probably totally fine .

          im talking more about the 4mg 3x a day some people do

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            bot-mod
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            It's conceivable any CNS stimulant would be effective in any fatigue syndrome of any kind.

            Aside I generally love nicotine. But a 'user' would say that. And this is pretty common in urban parts of britain because life in them is so amusingly miserable.

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              S.Holmes @the_black_jew
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              https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-023-36543-8

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                visalibero @S.Holmes
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                @S-Holmes Which product would you recommend? Without additives.

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                  S.Holmes @visalibero
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                  @visalibero said in Nicotine for Long Covid:

                  @S-Holmes Which product would you recommend? Without additives.

                  Dr. Ardis recommends Rugby brand. I buy the 14 mg patches and cut them into fourths. They say you aren't supposed to cut them but Dr Ardis says it isn't a problem.

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                    Corngold @S.Holmes
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                    Idk I used to smoke but quit.. since convid aspirin, sugar, fruit and coffee have helped cough and low energy.

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                      yerrag @S.Holmes
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                      Aside from patches, would chewing tobacco work. No smoking also, but habitual chewers have nasty teeth.

                      RPF member from the better days methylewhite smokes rolled tobacco. He.says the trick is not to use a lighter or matchstick. The way it burns is different when you use charcoal embers to light the joint. I'm waiting for a supply of a certain kind of lead used to roll the tobacco from my wet market veggie and coconut meat dealer. No one supplies that in the city but when she goes home she would bring back some.

                      Temporal thinking is the faculty that’s
                      engaged by an enriched environment, but it’s
                      wrong to call it “thinking,” because it’s simply
                      the way organisms exist... - Ray Peat Nov 2017 Newsletter

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                        yerrag @yerrag
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                        A thought I have is about whether smoking is superior in that it delivers directly to the lungs the nicotine. If smoke quality is good and only nicotine and what else comes from tobacco leaf is what the lungs receive, wouldn't this likely to be therapeutic?

                        Since we thinking of smoking as only bad without any qualification, we may be wanting to stay within the limits set by conventional wisdom.

                        Conventional wisdom being often, or mostly wrong, we may just be shutting ourselves off from the best solution offered in the simplest package from nature.

                        Temporal thinking is the faculty that’s
                        engaged by an enriched environment, but it’s
                        wrong to call it “thinking,” because it’s simply
                        the way organisms exist... - Ray Peat Nov 2017 Newsletter

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