Dandruff or scalp irritation? Try BLOO.

    Bioenergetic Forum
    • Categories
    • Recent
    • Tags
    • Popular
    • Users
    • Groups
    • Register
    • Login

    Enclomiphene and topical dht

    Bioenergetics Discussion
    5
    16
    437
    Loading More Posts
    • Oldest to Newest
    • Newest to Oldest
    • Most Votes
    Reply
    • Reply as topic
    Log in to reply
    This topic has been deleted. Only users with topic management privileges can see it.
    • alfredoolivasA
      alfredoolivas @obscuremelon
      last edited by

      @obscuremelon your low T is a symptom of a bigger issue, it’s probably not the cause of your issues. You also have no idea why you are hypogonadal - is your LH too low ? Do your testes not respond to LH? Etc.

      Antagonising the estrogen receptor in the pituarity and agonising it elsewhere with a SERM, to flood yourself with LH is a terrible way to try to fix your issues.

      O 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
      • ?
        A Former User @laoa
        last edited by

        @laoa hans amoto (men-elite, testo-nation) got his T up to like 1200ng dl naturally

        his subscription fee is like $300 a month and he has hundreds of subscribers, i think he probably has valuble information because earnings is a reflection of value

        L 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
        • O
          obscuremelon @alfredoolivas
          last edited by obscuremelon

          @alfredoolivas

          Lh 3 u/l
          Fsh 8 u/l
          Estrodiol <85 pool/l
          Testosterone 15.5 nmol/l
          Shbg 41 nmol/l
          Dhea 8.3 nmol/l
          Free testosterone 279.4 previously 232.4 pool/l

          Other biomarkers out of range transferrin 24 , bilirubin 23

          I have tried lowering shbg with boron, tongkat Ali and have had no effects

          I notice more of a difference on enclomiphene, and cistanche

          I excercise a lot, I eat well, I sleep well now need to get a new blood test to see where my new range is as this was a while ago but I can just feel when my levels are lower these days. I will do a new blood test in two weeks once cistanche is out of my system . Any help with this would be great as the doctor won’t help me and I’ve tried my hardest and I can’t seem to crack it . The weirdest part is I look like someone with relatively high t I have a lot of muscle visible 6 pack not a load of facial hair but very athletic looking I just don’t feel the way I look.. lh to fsh ratio is off too hence why I went down the enclomiphene path it might not be the best option but it’s better than shutting down the testes forever

          1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
          • L
            laoa @A Former User
            last edited by

            @sushi_is_cringe
            Hans is becoming more and more cringe, good for him his business is doing great, but he's not someone I look up to at all, let alone want to be like him.
            I know enclomiphene is not viable long term and has lots of potential risks, even without the zuclomiphene, but I like to explore what it feels like to have heightened LH/FSH and higher androgens without exogenous hormones. I want to be able to compare.
            And as for OP if hesscared of needles and supression this could be a viable, though riskier and more unknown territory option, providing he's doing the basics already.

            ? O 2 Replies Last reply Reply Quote 0
            • ?
              A Former User @laoa
              last edited by

              @laoa y u say dis?

              1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
              • O
                obscuremelon @laoa
                last edited by

                @laoa

                Not scared of needles scared of shutting down the Crown Jewels forever as you should be ..
                I

                L 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
                • L
                  laoa @obscuremelon
                  last edited by

                  @obscuremelon well then dont mess around with serms and exo adrogens obviously, use the sparse energy you waste on worrying about serms and supression to find whats actually causing your low T, as Alfredo implies, go to the source of it. Endocrine disrupters come in many many forms, do you carry emf near the balls, did you take fluoride tablets as a kid, did you play in the dirt where there used to be a production of anything pfas and similar, did that thyroid get a bump when they xrayed the shit out of you to put on them damned braces, were you a victim of 60's parents that raised you on soymilk and tofu, you maybe work a heavy metal infested job, is all the light you see during the day fluorescent bulbs shining on that hip workfloor of that hipster startup, you sure you get you diet right and adjusted to you personally, you took any antidepressants maybe, did your mom enjoy her prozac when pregnant, .. thousands of, at least partly, correctable reasons that dont involve serms or androgens. Dont bandaid the arterial bleed.

                  O 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
                  • O
                    obscuremelon @laoa
                    last edited by obscuremelon

                    @laoa

                    Yes mate well aware of all those things I have done a genetic test . Done blood tests I try and avoid these disrupters as much as I can . Doesn’t really help me get to fixing the problem right away does it I have spent enough time trying to figure out what the problem is I want a solution now that can counter it I have now spent since November 2023 trying to figure this out

                    1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
                    • M
                      Mallard6146
                      last edited by Mallard6146

                      Enclo isn’t great. It does increase serum T, but I found it causes low e2 symptoms after a while, even if serum estrogens are high. This isn’t a drug I would take consistently long term.

                      It won’t prevent shutdown from synthetic androgens because it only blocks the negative estrogen feedback.

                      alfredoolivasA 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
                      • alfredoolivasA
                        alfredoolivas @Mallard6146
                        last edited by

                        @Mallard6146 said in Enclomiphene and topical dht:

                        It won’t prevent shutdown from synthetic androgens because it only blocks the negative estrogen feedback.

                        Well natural androgens such as testosterone and nandrolone and synthetic androgens such as dianabol, boldenone and trestolone turn into estrogen and can exert their supressive effects via estrogen. So it can help mitigate shutdown driven by synthetic and natural androgens.

                        M 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
                        • M
                          Mallard6146 @alfredoolivas
                          last edited by

                          @alfredoolivas

                          Makes sense.

                          1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
                          • 1 / 1
                          • First post
                            Last post