Who's still doing a PUFA depletion detox diet? (long terms results, hopes dreams, future plans)
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Anyone still at it?
Was it a fad?
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Still at it. But I try not to overthink it too much, but certainly avoid most PUFA and most of the types of food and style of eating most people engage in. I am better off for it in a multitude of ways. About 10.5 years in. I also have 30 to 50 oz. of OJ and/or OJ with a few oranges and/or fruit punches or other juices. No citric acids added of course or anything else for that matter. I also use canned peaches in sugar water or mixed fruits.
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@bio3nergetic I was going to say it didn't bother me but I'm glad there are a few people still at it. There could be a million people or a thousand eating this way, there's really no way to tell.
I added oats but after being really strict I don't feel great about it.
Thanks for posting. It's official, at least 2 people still avoid pufa lol
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@heretoday It's funny I added oats in 2023 for a stint. After a while, I don't even want it let alone CRAVE it. But also, it didn't feel right to have it so many consecutive times. I think of BETA glucans as inherently a kind of toxin, as they sequester cholesterol - to which, the popular mainstream view of "lowering cholesterol" mechanically is seen in a good light - making me feel nonoptimized for lack of a better word. If you are after all in fairly good health, and you are maintaining enough cholesterol for thyroid turnover into helpful, protective hormones, a.k.a the true and right way to lower it, any sequestrant or sequestrant-like substance I think would stand in the way of feeling optimal as it mechanically removes the fundamental substance needed to build desired hormones.
To add: yes! it does feel nice to know others are still doing it!
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@heretoday anyone not eating foods made with industrial seed oils is basically pufa depleting unless they are eating more than four eggs a day and fatty chicken and pork
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That was one of the first practical things I did after finding Peat. Still doing it by not cooking with seed oil and limiting fast food/frozen food etc. Not being neurotic about it, but if most days it's less than 4-5g I notice I usually feel better too. Not too worried about the pufa in eggs or meat though.
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@bio3nergetic said in Am I the last PUFA depleter detoxer left in this world?:
@heretoday I think of BETA glucans as inherently a kind of toxin, as they sequester cholesterol - to which, the popular mainstream view of "lowering cholesterol" mechanically is seen in a good light - making me feel nonoptimized for lack of a better word. If you are after all in fairly good health, and you are maintaining enough cholesterol for thyroid turnover into helpful, protective hormones, a.k.a the true and right way to lower it, any sequestrant or sequestrant-like substance I think would stand in the way of feeling optimal as it mechanically removes the fundamental substance needed to build desired hormones.
To add: yes! it does feel nice to know others are still doing it!
I'm going to commit this to memory and try and break my oats addiction. They were one of my first foods, tough to pass on any excuse to eat them.
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@sushi_is_cringe said in Am I the last PUFA depleter detoxer left in this world?:
@heretoday anyone not eating foods made with industrial seed oils is basically pufa depleting unless they are eating more than four eggs a day and fatty chicken and pork
In the old forum people were trying to stay under 4g/2000cal which is still my target but I've been closer to 6/2000 recently. I have to be really careful to hit that 4g number.
More people are avoiding seed oils but I have no idea what happened to the fanatics like me.
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@Corngold said in Am I the last PUFA depleter detoxer left in this world?:
That was one of the first practical things I did after finding Peat. Still doing it by not cooking with seed oil and limiting fast food/frozen food etc. Not being neurotic about it, but if most days it's less than 4-5g I notice I usually feel better too. Not too worried about the pufa in eggs or meat though.
It became much harder when I switched to starch and meat for me to do that with any chicken for pork fat. Unfortunately I didn't do well with sugar or even dried fruit, fruit juice. I stay with very lean meat.
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I’ve averaged under 2 g of PUFA a day for the last 20+ years and most of that being under 1 g a day because my favorite fat source (coconut) is highly saturated and I’ve mostly followed low-fat diets during that time (80/10/10, low-fat WFPB, low-fat dairy-based, fruitarian). I’ve had periods where I ate higher fat while following an ancestral/WAPF diet and the carnivore diet, but it came from saturated sources (dairy, coconut and to a lesser extent beef) so I rarely got more than 2 g of PUFA a day. The only benefit I’ve noticed was when I had gallbladder disease—coconut fat was the only fat that didn’t trigger gallbladder attacks—however, I don’t have much to compare it to, since I was raised by a French mum who cooked with butter and from scratch so I didn’t have much PUFA to deplete.
I have stood on a mountain of no’s for one yes. ~ B. Smith
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@heretoday said in Am I the last PUFA depleter detoxer left in this world?:
It became much harder when I switched to starch and meat for me to do that with any chicken for pork fat. Unfortunately I didn't do well with sugar or even dried fruit, fruit juice. I stay with very lean meat.
Yeah that's a good idea. I'm even eating ground beef less, finding the fat/salt from milk or butter can take place of the satiating part of beef.
I haven't really looked deeply into it, but I find this interesting: Peat talked about the newborn brain having little to no pufa fat at all, which contradicts the fish oil and omega 3-6 and 9 fats being critical narrative. At the same time, he talked about how protein restriction can be beneficial for those past 20 or 30, as the body needs less of cystine, methionine, and tryptophan. This also basically contradicts the increasingly popular "protein powder" and high protein muscle-building narrative that I've heard since the late '00s.
In the first example, he's mentioning how brains/bodies accumulate pufa over time but aren't born with it; in the second he says growing bodies need those amino acids far more than in aging bodies. Anyways, I just wonder if PUFA wouldn't be an issue at all were it not for the recent industrialization of food? Like, naturally occurring, there is some in plants and milk, meat, etc. But it never reaches the amount found in seed oil, or nuts, right? The protein restriction analogy I make is that I rarely see older people eating 16 oz steaks, burgers, etc. Those that do are usually fat or unhealthy from smoking/alcohol, etc. Not a rule, but generally the "Carnivore" thing seems very fake and online-only. So I make the observation that naturally cravings seem not to desire the muscle meats and high protein foods. But then enter PUFA, and it basically rewires and poisons the brain in general, so its effects can't be trusted.
I can say frequent steak and egg eating a few years ago seemed to give me a good boost out of lethargy and I don't crave steak that much anymore. I believe this was helping a long running nutrient deficiency because I avoided beef and ate more bacon, deli meat, and junk stuff.
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Mostly yes. But I got a bit nihilistic about my health for a while in the last years and have sometimes eaten stuff that I wouldn't have eaten beforehand like food at a thai place were they probably cook with cheap seed oils. My main fat source is still dairy fat from cheese, yoghurt and milk and sometimes dark chocolate. But I'm probably more at 6g per day nowadays rather than <4g.
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I can't eat more than a few grams of PUFA without having symptoms. It's just not worth it to me to ruin my day for some french fries or whatever that don't even fucking taste good anymore. FUCK. It fills me with rage that this is the world we live in.
I heard recently that Outback soaks their fries in "vegetable oil" before they're frozen and sent off to the restaurants to be fried in beef tallow. I've always thought they had unnecessary PUFA, but I thought it was due to being fried in the same tallow as other stuff. This new revelation makes a lot more sense. They taste like they have some canola oil or similar.
I wish Kennedy would ban seed oils at least, but I doubt that will happen. He's probably a spineless corrupt piece of garbage, else he wouldn't have gotten the job.
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@Jennifer said in Am I the last PUFA depleter detoxer left in this world?:
I’ve averaged under 2 g of PUFA a day for the last 20+ years and most of that being under 1 g a day
You shall be our Queen
We'll call it the pufa depletion society.Would love to see a day of eating. My tracking app only had me that low a couple times a year.
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A quick reminder to all, that if you do the 3 or 4 year strict PUFA restriction, get your carb intake up, get metabolic rate up, you have to look at any PUFA exposure as being rate limited as far as its damage. I'm not saying go back to eating PUFA. However, as an optimized "peatarian" specimen, one can afford the occasional pufa exposure. Again, NOT to engage in a full pufa meal, but some amounts that would come with the occasional chicken meal, and that is a good quality, whole food chicken meal at that, shouldn't be fret about. When you are in this state, your vulnerability should not be, ideally, 1:1 to your average person eating the average western meals. There is a thing of resilience to keep in mind, BY virtue of this optimized system.
I'm not saying willy nilly get into the PUFA when you want. I'm simply being more so a voice of reason. And this is after the 4 years or so of depletion and a kind of strictness.
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@heretoday said in Who's still doing a PUFA depletion detox diet? (long terms results, hopes dreams, future plans):
@Jennifer said in Am I the last PUFA depleter detoxer left in this world?:
I’ve averaged under 2 g of PUFA a day for the last 20+ years and most of that being under 1 g a day
You shall be our Queen
We'll call it the pufa depletion society.Would love to see a day of eating. My tracking app only had me that low a couple times a year.
Haha! Will I be dethroned if I have the occasional avocado?
I tried copying my cronometer log for today, but had no luck so hopefully this is readable…
ENERGY SUMMERY
• Consumed—2,414 kcal
• Protein—59.8 g
• Carbs—328.2 g
• Fat—40.0 g
• MUFA—1.3 g
• PUFA—0.7 gBREAKFAST (907 kcal • 23 g protein • 128 g carbs • 16 g fat)
• Alexandre Family Farm, 100% Grass-Fed A2/A2 Low-fat Yogurt • 12 oz • 140.08 kcal
• St Dalfour, Fruit Spread, Mango & Passion Fruit • 2 tbsp (15ml) • 80 kcal
• Melon, Galia, Flesh Only • 32 oz • 221.01 kcal
• Bananas, Raw • 1 medium - 7" to 7 7/8" long • 103.84 kcal
• Jackfruit, Raw • 8 oz • 215.46 kcal
• Instant Coffee Dry Mix, Decaf, Unprepared • 5 g • 17.55 kcal
• Coconut Cream, Liquid from Grated Meat • 1 tbsp • 49.5 kcal
• Dolcedi Low Glycemic Sweetener From Apples • 3 × 1/2 tsp • 30 kcalLUNCH (979 kcal • 19 g protein • 121 g carbs • 15 g fat)
• Mollusks, scallop, mixed species, raw • 113 g • 77.97 kcal
• Honey • 1 tbsp • 64.41 kcal
• Exotic Superfoods, Young Thai Coconut Meat • 8 oz • 204.12 kcal
• Guava Nectar • 32 fl oz • 632.51 kcalDINNER (528 kcal • 18 g protein • 79 g carbs • 9 g fat)
• Alexandre Family Farm, 100% Grass-Fed A2/A2 Low-fat Yogurt • 12 oz • 140.08 kcal
• St. Dalfour, Fruit Spread, Pineapple & Mango • 2 tbsp • 70 kcal
• Melon, Galia, Flesh Only • 32 oz • 221.01 kcal
• Instant Coffee Dry Mix, Decaf, Unprepared • 5 g • 17.55 kcal
• Coconut Cream, Liquid from Grated Meat • 1 tbsp • 49.5 kcal
• Dolcedi Low Glycemic Sweetener From Apples • 3 × 1/2 tsp • 30 kcalI have stood on a mountain of no’s for one yes. ~ B. Smith
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@bio3nergetic said in Who's still doing a PUFA depletion detox diet? (long terms results, hopes dreams, future plans):
However, as an optimized "peatarian" specimen, one can afford the occasional pufa exposure. Again, NOT to engage in a full pufa meal, but some amounts that would come with the occasional chicken meal, and that is a good quality, whole food chicken meal at that, shouldn't be fret about.
Agreed. I don’t worry about PUFA. My focus is on eating real food that I enjoy and my protein intake because they have had the greatest impact on my health.
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@Cicero said in Who's still doing a PUFA depletion detox diet? (long terms results, hopes dreams, future plans):
I can't eat more than a few grams of PUFA without having symptoms. It's just not worth it to me to ruin my day for some french fries or whatever that don't even fucking taste good anymore. FUCK. It fills me with rage that this is the world we live in.
I ate fast food for lunch two days in a row. I could have eaten good stuff but I figured I would take the risk to see how it effects me after really restricting that junk. And oh man, even though I was taking aspirin anyways, which alleviated what would have been worse, it was pretty bad. At least 1-2 days after of what I'm guessing is estrogenic low mood/depression/irritation. I'm quite convinced that the gut is driving the brain - and vice versa.
And yeah, the fries weren't even good. The other stuff... wasn't even "great." I was literally still hungry after eating big portions of that slop. Bizarre. Still hungry, but not sated, higher blood pressure and sugar and lower mood. Lose lose situation.
