Just like SSRI “antidepressants”, talk therapy likely no better than placebo
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How do you feel about retinol now vasi? Not a trick question. Wondering how your... liver's doing.
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@Vasi1311 said in Just like SSRI “antidepressants”, talk therapy likely no better than placebo:
I hope you will find time and good specialist
A good therapy to you too Vasi. I watched one of Levin's interviews. It was worth the time. It's amazing how much overlap there is for these different approaches.
It's now the biotherapeutic.forum in all but name where we join hands and talk about our mothers
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@herenow said in Just like SSRI “antidepressants”, talk therapy likely no better than placebo:
biotherapeutic
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it would probably be more fun to be waterboarded
Over the last decade, Sweden, like most Western countries, embraced the call for “evidence-based practice.” Socialstyrelsen, the country’s National Board of Health and Welfare, developed and disseminated a set of guidelines (“riktlinger”) for mental health practice. Topping the list of methods was, not surprisingly, cognitive-behavioral therapy.
The Swedish State took the list seriously, restricting payment for training of clinicians and treatment of clients to cognitive behavioral methods. In the last three years, a billion Swedish crowns were spent on training clinicians in CBT. Another billion was spent on providing CBT to people with diagnoses of depression and anxiety. No funding was provided for training or treatment in other methods...
Back in May 2012, I wrote about Sweden’s massive investment in cognitive behavioral therapy (CBT). The idea was simple: address rising rates of disability due to mental illness by training clinicians in CBT. At the time, a mere two billion Swedish crowns had been spent.
Now, several years and nearly 7 billion Crowns later, the NAO audited the program. Briefly, it found:
The widespread adoption of the method had no effect whatsoever on the outcome of people disabled by depression and anxiety;
A significant number of people who were not disabled at the time they were treated with CBT became disabled thereby increasing the amount of time they spent on disability; and
Nearly a quarter of people treated with CBT dropped out.
https://www.scottdmiller.com/swedish-national-audit-office-concludes-when-all-you-have-is-cbt-mental-health-suffers/ -
@Hando-Jin said in Just like SSRI “antidepressants”, talk therapy likely no better than placebo:
it would probably be more fun to be waterboarded
There's a subtext in here as much as a point and a joke.
Some people seem to think retraumatising a person or a population can also work. While I can see that's possible for doing it to myself and living through certain large questionable events, it seems a bit archaic at this point.
Danny Rod'ster said somewhere that we should all stop pretending. And I knew what he meant. And I agreed. But what then. A horrid revolution is still as much if you call it a "movement". No thank you. I like science.
Obviously you're a shaolin ninja master hando jin. So you've got to look around and empathise to see this.
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@Corngold said in Just like SSRI “antidepressants”, talk therapy likely no better than placebo:
good point but it's similar to fat vs carb fueling, and why people might jack themselves eating high carb rapidly. Gradual approach.
Also yes you're right corngold. But what's gradual.
No lying, no sitting, no running, no limping. Brisk!
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@ThinPicking said in Just like SSRI “antidepressants”, talk therapy likely no better than placebo:
@Hando-Jin said in Just like SSRI “antidepressants”, talk therapy likely no better than placebo:
it would probably be more fun to be waterboarded
Some people seem to think retraumatising a person or a population can also work.
Yes, many therapists believe this- 'exposure therapy'.
Not my cup of tea.
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@herenow aaah our mothers ... Well I try to lok more in to what a healthy mother looks like and feels like because I think with our past thats what is worth healthy examples, but thats hard to find.
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@ThinPicking why you ask about my feelings about retinol? I never used it.
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The prevalent and natural kind Vasi. It's another way of asking how you're getting on with the "love your liver program".
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@Hando-Jin said in Just like SSRI “antidepressants”, talk therapy likely no better than placebo:
Yes, many therapists believe this- 'exposure therapy'.
Not my cup of tea.
I generally don't like it either. But maybe with some assistance...
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@Vasi1311 The tell me about your mother is just a joke about the line attributed to Freud. I should have included a pic. I can't even say he actually used the line.
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@ThinPicking well I do my best with my liver. By the way no idea whats that program.
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@herenow my joke about him him is: You should have Freud on the first line....
Well in most cases we speak about our moms non stop, its just the way it is. Do know what I found out that I am ok talking the truth about my mom but I will not allow anyone talk bad about her, because thats my mom and I am part of her as she is part of me. But yeah we are all lets say touched by our moms.... Hey by the way do you do any sports? -
@Vasi1311 said in Just like SSRI “antidepressants”, talk therapy likely no better than placebo:
no idea whats that program
That's the spirit vasil520992. That's the spirit.
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@ThinPicking lolll Vasil is a mans name and I am a girl
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Sure thing pal.
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@ThinPicking cheers to that
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@Vasi1311 said in Just like SSRI “antidepressants”, talk therapy likely no better than placebo:
Hey by the way do you do any sports?
No, not since high school. (Pardon for the delay. I lost track of this.)
Regarding the fake quote by Freud, most trouble people will have troubled parents (or at least one). I've found that there's usually a foundation of truth to cliche's and stereotypes.
Case in point:
Thinpicking may feel it's loving to troll people because his earliest memories are of his mother trolling him. That it's passive aggressive behavior may just be our interpretation of his effort to show others love