My suicidal experience with potatoes solanine driven depression
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@BroJonas said in My suicidal experience with potatoes solanine driven depression:
@Luke Yeah I thought they were mostly just in the peel.
I notice some indigestion and gas from potatoes. And I always peel them. Pretty good micros though
Not 100% sure, but as far as I know it makes a difference whether you peel them after boiling or before. If you peel them after boiling you only remove the very thin skin and some solanine is still in the outer layer of the potato. If you peel them before boiling you remove the skin and also a bit of the outer layer of the potato, and thus more solanine. (It sucks though, because potatos boiled with skin taste better if you ask me)
Would be interesting to know whether the users who had bad experiences noticed a difference between peeling before and after.
If they have green color right below the skin, it indicates higher level of solanine.
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@Androsclerozat rice noodles and buckwheat are my "safe" starches, they digest quite well and don't have the same negative long term effects that I get from potato consumption (solanine has a very long halftime, it stays in the body for weeks
)Though I agree on the rice thing. Eating a lot of plain well cooked rice (a lot of water content) doesn't work for me. It has to be cooked relatively "dry", not boiled for too long, to digest properly for me. I prefer rice noodles.
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Interestingly, I get the worst mental symptoms from boiled potatoes...
French fries (even loaded with PUFA) are much better.
Baked potato wedges are also somewhat okay
It could have something to do with really high temperatures breaking down some of the solanine
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@Korven said in My suicidal experience with potatoes solanine driven depression:
Interestingly, I get the worst mental symptoms from boiled potatoes...
French fries (even loaded with PUFA) are much better.
Baked potato wedges are also somewhat okay
It could have something to do with really high temperatures breaking down some of the solanine
For example, boiling potatoes reduces the α-chaconine and α-solanine levels by only 3.5% and 1.2% respectively, but microwaving potatoes reduces the alkaloid content by 15%.[23] Deep frying at 150 °C (302 °F) also does not result in any measurable change. Alkaloids like solanine have been shown to start decomposing and degrading at approximately 170 °C (338 °F), and deep-frying potatoes at 210 °C (410 °F) for 10 minutes causes a loss of ~40% of the solanine.[10]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solanine#Effects_of_cooking_on_solanine_levels
Not sure what temperatures are reached with deep frying, but I think more than 170 °C (338 °F).
I would suppose that french fries have a pretty low solanine content due to removing the skin and outer layer before frying and the high temperature.
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@Luke thanks, that is really interesting!
That means you can cut the solanine in half just by cooking at high temperatures. And perhaps even more by making sure to peel the potatoes first.
It coincides with my cravings as well:
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I really do not enjoy plain boiled potatoes, it is somewhat repulsive to me (though somewhat okay with butter and cream added but then am I liking the potatoes or the butter/cream you start to wonder
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Fries - they are tasty but you can't eat them because you will die an early PUFA Death
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Potato oven wedges - my preferred way of eating potatoes. I peel and cut potatoes into an 200 C° oven with little bit of rosemary and olive oil and then cook a big steak in butter and make a sauce in the pan from the steak drippings.
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@Corngold you didn't eat astronomical amounts, that's why
the culprit of grain could be an irritated gut by some citric acid or phosphoric because i have the same neurotic effect if i drink coke and eat bread afterwards
sometimes even just bread alone if it has some emulsifiers
sometimes working hard physically does that too, by increasing permeability -
@BroJonas maybe its the water or poor quality potatoes
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@Korven i know an old friend who loved rice noodles.. i think his name starts with R
today i started eating a high carb rice meal with pineapple and bread without fat to see if there are any downsides and to be honest i dont feel bad
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@Androsclerozat said in My suicidal experience with potatoes solanine driven depression:
you didn't eat astronomical amounts, that's why
do you think eating astronomical amounts of anything is going to have a good outcome? lol.
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@Corngold I mean if you want to make a staple in your diet or you are cultivating your own food, some of them are sustained with potatoes or any other food that may be considered in astronomically amounts
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@Androsclerozat rice noodles are based
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@Androsclerozat
How do you feel from honey+mineral water, you used to do that? -
@GreekDemiGod Why should continental Europeans tolerate potatoes well if they came from South America?
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@Androsclerozat Are you eating the peels as well? If so, that may be the problem. In Germany we never eat the peels, except with the spring potatoes where the peel is very thin (and most likely contains no solanine). As a food scientist, I can tell you another problem may be that you are not buying organic potatoes because conventional potatoes have one of the most heaviest pesticide loads (conventional strawberries is another one).
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I used to get this when my health was a mess. Now my diet is mineral water, beef/yak, and potatoes. I don’t tolerate fructose whatsoever so this works for me.
I’ve tried rice instead of potatoes dozens of times and it just doesn’t work. 0 nutritional value compared to potatoes.
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I've also been seriously thinking about this lately. I think potatoes cause symptoms for me, and it's flown under my radar because they're not as severe as PUFA induced symptoms, for example.
Such a shame because I crave potatoes, especially when I'm extremely hungry. -
@random i used to but now looking back it sounds crazy , not optimal
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@Androsclerozat said in My suicidal experience with potatoes solanine driven depression:
@random i used to but now looking back it sounds crazy , not optimal
You feel worst than starch from it?
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@tubert said in My suicidal experience with potatoes solanine driven depression:
@Androsclerozat Are you eating the peels as well? If so, that may be the problem. In Germany we never eat the peels, except with the spring potatoes where the peel is very thin (and most likely contains no solanine). As a food scientist, I can tell you another problem may be that you are not buying organic potatoes because conventional potatoes have one of the most heaviest pesticide loads (conventional strawberries is another one).
Mmmh i saw the difference between conventional and organic. I live in Netherlands right now and I can see a huuge difference in taste and texture, I pay almost 2 euros per kg, and i peel them all the time
In both cases acetylcholine is felt heavily
Of course, a meal of potatoes could be good especially if you plan going out with friends, talking would be so easy
i remember one time i went to this couples house, last meal being rice with butter.. man i couldnt form sentences without losing words
next time i ate potatoes with butter... i became the social butterfly.. it felt so easy to talk, but its true that your social status decreases a bit.. maybe from the outside cant be seen, but inside you feel that if someone makes an offensive joke, your ability to fight back would be dimished and you may not even realise that he laughed at you.. Acetylcholine indeed decreases dopamine D2 and increases the rest of receptors.. Same experience happened with vitamin B1, but with an extra side effect.. -
@Cicero maybe you crave them because you are eating them.. somehow it increased my stomach acid till the point of having no bloating, but the craving of potatoes was immense.
if u give them up, u wont feel the need to eat them again
it feels like bread tbh if its the only starch u eat
