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    Jennifer
    last edited by Jun 7, 2025, 9:48 AM

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    I have stood on a mountain of no’s for one yes. ~ B. Smith

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      NoeticJuice @Jennifer
      last edited by Jun 8, 2025, 10:05 AM

      Screenshot 2025-06-08 at 12-42-05 black crowes - she talks to angels - YouTube.png

      Reading the comment below the song reminds me

      "The evidence of the fossil record is, as I say, that the control of voice and respiration needed for singing apparently came into being long before they would ever have been required by language."

      "Ultimately music is the communication of emotion, the most fundamental form of communication, which in phylogeny, as well as ontogeny, came and comes first. Neurological research strongly supports the assumption that 'our love of music reflects the ancestral ability of our mammalian brain to transmit and receive basic emotional sounds,' the prosody and rhythmic motion that emerge intuitively from entrainment of the body in emotional expression: 'music was built upon the communications through vocal intonations.' Presumably such 'mechanisms' were highly important for group survival. They were also likely to have deep roots: 'the deeply emotional stirrings generated by music,' writes the influential anthropologist Robin Dunbar, 'suggests to me that music has very ancient origins, long predating the evolution of language.'"

      "But if it should turn out that music leads to language, rather than language to music, it helps us understand for the first time the otherwise baffling historical fact that poetry evolved before prose. Prose was at first known as pezos logos, literally 'pedestrian, or walking, logos,' as opposed to the usual dancing logos of poetry. In fact early poetry was sung: so the evolution of literary skill progresses, if that is the correct word, from right-hemisphere music (words that are sung), to right-hemisphere language (the metaphorical language of poetry), to left-hemisphere language (the referential language of prose).
      Music is likely to be the ancestor of language and it arose largely in the right hemisphere, where one would expect a means of communication with others, promoting social cohesion, to arise."

      The Master and His Emissary (2019), pp. 102, 103, 105
      Ian McGilchrist

      "We must remember that the only instrument of investigation we possess is our mind . . . The quality and condition of the telescope govern the observation resulting from its use. If there is dust on our lens, we see dark spots in the heavens."

      🎧🎶24/7

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        NoeticJuice
        last edited by Jun 8, 2025, 12:10 PM

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        "We must remember that the only instrument of investigation we possess is our mind . . . The quality and condition of the telescope govern the observation resulting from its use. If there is dust on our lens, we see dark spots in the heavens."

        🎧🎶24/7

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          NoeticJuice
          last edited by Jun 13, 2025, 5:13 PM

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          "We must remember that the only instrument of investigation we possess is our mind . . . The quality and condition of the telescope govern the observation resulting from its use. If there is dust on our lens, we see dark spots in the heavens."

          🎧🎶24/7

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            Milk Destroyer
            last edited by Jun 13, 2025, 5:18 PM

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              Jennifer @NoeticJuice
              last edited by Jun 13, 2025, 6:00 PM

              @NoeticJuice said in Songs you like:

              Screenshot 2025-06-08 at 12-42-05 black crowes - she talks to angels - YouTube.png

              Reading the comment below the song reminds me

              "The evidence of the fossil record is, as I say, that the control of voice and respiration needed for singing apparently came into being long before they would ever have been required by language."

              "Ultimately music is the communication of emotion, the most fundamental form of communication, which in phylogeny, as well as ontogeny, came and comes first. Neurological research strongly supports the assumption that 'our love of music reflects the ancestral ability of our mammalian brain to transmit and receive basic emotional sounds,' the prosody and rhythmic motion that emerge intuitively from entrainment of the body in emotional expression: 'music was built upon the communications through vocal intonations.' Presumably such 'mechanisms' were highly important for group survival. They were also likely to have deep roots: 'the deeply emotional stirrings generated by music,' writes the influential anthropologist Robin Dunbar, 'suggests to me that music has very ancient origins, long predating the evolution of language.'"

              "But if it should turn out that music leads to language, rather than language to music, it helps us understand for the first time the otherwise baffling historical fact that poetry evolved before prose. Prose was at first known as pezos logos, literally 'pedestrian, or walking, logos,' as opposed to the usual dancing logos of poetry. In fact early poetry was sung: so the evolution of literary skill progresses, if that is the correct word, from right-hemisphere music (words that are sung), to right-hemisphere language (the metaphorical language of poetry), to left-hemisphere language (the referential language of prose).
              Music is likely to be the ancestor of language and it arose largely in the right hemisphere, where one would expect a means of communication with others, promoting social cohesion, to arise."

              The Master and His Emissary (2019), pp. 102, 103, 105
              Ian McGilchrist

              Fascinating, and very cool, NoeticJuice. Thank you for sharing. 🙂

              I have stood on a mountain of no’s for one yes. ~ B. Smith

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                Jennifer
                last edited by Jun 13, 2025, 6:01 PM

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                I have stood on a mountain of no’s for one yes. ~ B. Smith

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                  NoeticJuice
                  last edited by NoeticJuice 19 days ago Jun 15, 2025, 12:39 PM

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                  "We must remember that the only instrument of investigation we possess is our mind . . . The quality and condition of the telescope govern the observation resulting from its use. If there is dust on our lens, we see dark spots in the heavens."

                  🎧🎶24/7

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                    LetTheRedeemed
                    last edited by Jun 15, 2025, 7:58 PM

                    Gonna be biased and say this is the pinnical of human energy:

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                      Luke
                      last edited by Jun 17, 2025, 8:53 AM

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                      I've never been a big party attender, but I never went to a party where I didn't probably offend most of the people there by talking about what I was interested in. (Ray Peat)

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                        peatolish @Terminator
                        last edited by peatolish Jun 17, 2025, 11:51 PM Jun 17, 2025, 10:15 PM

                        @Terminator I don't know if this is the right place to say this but I never enjoyed a song made by a black person. I can't explain it.

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                          peatolish @Terminator
                          last edited by Jun 17, 2025, 10:24 PM

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                            LetTheRedeemed @peatolish
                            last edited by Jun 18, 2025, 1:14 AM

                            @peatolish perfect place to say it, i got some beautiful black dude songs.

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                              Aniciete
                              last edited by Jun 18, 2025, 1:50 AM

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                                NoeticJuice
                                last edited by NoeticJuice 30 days ago Jun 18, 2025, 8:48 AM

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                                "We must remember that the only instrument of investigation we possess is our mind . . . The quality and condition of the telescope govern the observation resulting from its use. If there is dust on our lens, we see dark spots in the heavens."

                                🎧🎶24/7

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                                  NoeticJuice
                                  last edited by Jun 18, 2025, 6:18 PM

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                                  "We must remember that the only instrument of investigation we possess is our mind . . . The quality and condition of the telescope govern the observation resulting from its use. If there is dust on our lens, we see dark spots in the heavens."

                                  🎧🎶24/7

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                                    William Shat @Norwegian Mugabe
                                    last edited by William Shat Jun 20, 2025, 11:33 AM Jun 20, 2025, 11:26 AM

                                    @Norwegian-Mugabe https://www.bps.org.uk/research-digest/men-higher-testosterone-levels-are-less-classical-music-and-opera
                                    Men with lower testosterone levels prefer classical music

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                                      Rah1woot
                                      last edited by Jun 20, 2025, 11:53 AM

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                                        LetTheRedeemed @William Shat
                                        last edited by LetTheRedeemed Jun 20, 2025, 7:48 PM Jun 20, 2025, 7:45 PM

                                        @William-Shat that’s a chicken or the egg scenario.

                                        In the Post-WW2 cultural revolution, classical music was coded as no longer “hip,” so those who engaged in the new cultural signaling market only listened to “cool” and “hip” music.

                                        Bach went to a boys school where boys routinely pulled spears out of the armory and got into deadly fights… the most patriarchal authoritarian societies in modern history (Europe as indicated by height and hormonal measurements in the last 50 years) only had church pipe organ music or folk strumming on strings.

                                        Of course the people today who listen to rap or pop music will have overlap between both young and from blood-sport-for-honor ghettos.

                                        When i go to Bach renditions in my town, 80% of the attendants are elderly, including the only old man I've seen in a pencil skirt — this is not a fault of Bach’s “resist firmly all sin,” but rather the cultural coding changing… classical music is objectively better than half of the modern art shared in this thread to be quite frank.

                                        Welcome to my butthurt soapbox, I've had to consider this alot as the two musical genres i love most in my country, folk and classical, are completely dominated by the elite leftists, whilst the diminishing indigenous conservatives, considered it “their” music…

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                                          Rah1woot @LetTheRedeemed
                                          last edited by Jun 20, 2025, 8:55 PM

                                          @LetTheRedeemed Butthurt soapbox is right.

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