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    Tired, Low temp, but normal pulse - hypothyroid?

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      KillaJ
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      This is my first post here. I’ve been reading and trying to understand bioenergetics for around 2 months.

      I’ll give a little of my history and try not to bore the shit out of you. I’m a 42yo man. I’ve fluctuated weight for most of my life, but I always had a really easy time getting lean again. At least half of my extended family is morbidly obese Italians, we eat a lot. So I’d just eat less for a few months and be back in shape. Around 2018, I broke my back in a fall. I stopped exercising, started eating too much, started smoking again, and became a heavy drinker. I’m not paralyzed, just have back pain and have to be really careful how I lift things. In 2019, I decided I needed to get back in shape. I had come across the Snake Diet on YouTube and went with that. I lost 50 pounds in 4 months with 72hr fasts and a carnivore diet, and kept pretty lean for around a year alternating OMAD and the occasional 36hr fast. However, I never really felt good after that. I was (still am) tired all the time. And I pretty quickly gained 70 pounds(!) once I stopped fasting. I’ve lost about half of that extra weight in the last year, so I’m fatter than I should be but not an obese BMI. But I can no longer lose weight easily like I used to. My testosterone is low (as low as 146 ng/dL). My LDL is high, my blood pressure is high. My doctor put my on TRT, but my blood pressure got dangerously high when I was on it, even with 2 BP meds, so I stopped after 7 months.

      My last TSH was 3.5. I’ve had it drawn 3 times in the last year, the lowest was 1.8. I’ve started taking my waking temperature, it’s been between 96.8 and 97 for the last two weeks. My pulse is 80-85 normally. I’ve been avoiding PUFAs as much as possible for years now, with the only exceptions being going out to eat once or twice a month. I stopped smoking at the beginning of the year. I only drink alcohol a few times per month now. I go to the gym 3 times per week.

      I’m not 100% sure where to start. I’m thinking hypothyroidism might be a possibility, and that extended fasting and carnivore did not do me any favors. I looked back through my lab results, I don’t see a T3 lab anywhere. I do have a T4 level, but it’s from 11 months ago, so not really relevant.

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        KillaJ @KillaJ
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        I should add in that I take Vitamins D, K, and E at separate times, zinc, copper, boron, magnesium, and selenium. I tried the carrot salad, but it made me fart so much that I had to stop - I share an office with someone. I am eating the mushroom soup though, and a little bit of raw carrot on occasion.

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          LucH @KillaJ
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          @KillaJ said in Tired, Low temp, but normal pulse - hypothyroid?:

          I’m not 100% sure where to start.

          Hi,
          The way you feel is based on your hormonal level:

          • Your several tries to lose weight has sent a signal to your brain: Lower carburation.
            You’ve done it on the wrong way. A defense mechanism for survive has been put in place. Not possible to retry now. Need first to improve the metabolism before amplifying expenditure. Will be harder (memory).
          • Your blood test data seems to be alright (in the standards) but I won’t trust them too much. I would pamper the thyroid since it’s the main indicator for your brain. If you spend much energy in stress, you won’t recover much. Double impact on energy expenditure (calories storage, poor conversion) and on the way you feel.
            I won’t give any pertinent advice at the moment: Not yet. You need to be convinced how to manage. I’ll confirm afterwards whether you do it right or not. There is not only one way to reach the target you want but you need to clean in front of you: sort the information and choose a track.
            Hope it can help.
            NB: Don’t follow several tracks at the same time. You’ll need time …
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            KillaJ @LucH
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            @LucH

            Right now I’m taking a break from trying to lose any more weight. I’m still about 20 pounds above where I’d like to be, but I’m not a lard ass anymore at least. I’m eating around 60/25/15 carb/protein/fat; mostly fruit, potatoes, milk, and lean meat. I just received a jug of gelatin powder, so I’m going to see how that goes. What specifically do you mean by “pamper the thyroid”?

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              LucH
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              To restore energy to a healthy level, the causative problem(s) must be corrected. Toxic exposure, nutritional deficiencies, and auto-immune damage are all, to some degree, universal. Even when you don’t notice them. If severe enough, any one of these can overwhelm the body's metabolic mechanisms and become the leading cause of the problem.
              Where to Start: Adrenals or Thyroid?
              If both the thyroid and the adrenals are weak, adrenal repair must precede thyroid repair.
              We suppose, when I’ve read your log, you can still control the situation. No over-burning. Your adrenal functions seem to be operational. How much is another problem…
              These functions include managing metabolism and blood sugar, regulating blood pressure and salt balance, and enabling the body's stress response (the fight-or-flight response). The adrenal glands produce hormones like cortisol, aldosterone, and adrenaline, which are crucial for overall health and survival.
              The thyroid gland is an endocrine "powerhouse" that manages your body's metabolism, energy levels, and vital functions by regulating body temperature, heart rate, muscle strength, and the nervous system. If thyroid function is imbalanced it can cause fatigue, weight changes, and other issues…
              We suppose you’re not overloaded by a dysfunctional liver or heavy metals in the thyroid, nor by a leaky gut, nor by a dysfunctional microbiome.
              First, we must assure the thyroid gland is free from halogens: No Cl, F, Br. No Hg either or anything won’t match.
              Minimal nutritional requirements for healthy adrenals
              Need 20 % fat and 30 % protein (between 08 and 1.2 g /kg body mass) (30-35 g protein in one portion). The two major nutrients the adrenals also need to do their job are vitamin B6 and vitamin C. Bisglycinate magnesium too, for most people. Mind the posology and the type for B6 (PLP is OK, if not in excess).
              The adrenal gland is the processor of stress in our bodies. It is there to help us adapt. When we become exhausted by life, on a mental or physical level, our adrenal glands often fail to keep up and illness follows …
              Adrenal malfunction is a fat deficiency. So the first step is simple and logical: eat more fat, especially cholesterol–rich fats contained in animal meats, eggs, fish, especially butter, which also contain all of fat soluble vitamins A, D and E. The adrenals cannot make adrenal hormones out of cholesterol without vitamin A. I’d take a supplement 2x/wk (Retinyl palmitate 5000 IU x 2 /wk).
              Vitamin D 2000 UI if you live above 50° N (from October till April). Vit K2 if you don’t eat Gouda cheese. K1 are brought by greens. 20-25 tocols / day (vit E mix, not a single alpha-tocopherol).
              Get out in the fresh air and let fresh air circulate in your home. Air charged with "good" ions, called "negative ions", is healing to the adrenals. Use red light therapy if not possible.
              Thyroid support
              Coconut oil can help those with thyroid malfunction, whether it is overactive or underactive. Part of the needs. Begin slowly if a higher level is taken. Adaptation (laxative, detox).
              Alien fats includes all vegetable oils and fats, except olive oil, which includes margarine and oils and fats derived / extruded from such plants as canola (rape seed), soy, safflower, and corn.
              Relax and breathe
              Decrease stresses in your life as much as possible. During stressful times, take 5’ and lie down or try to relax. Also deep breathing exercises are calming and relaxing, which switches your body over from running on its sympathetic nervous system (the fight/flight nervous system) to its healing parasympathetic nervous system. Try to relax the stomach muscles (decompress and expand), which is called abdominal breathing. 2 minutes every half hour.
              Useful nutrients for the thyroid

              • Tyrosine acts as a precursor to thyroid hormones. This amino acid binds to iodine atoms to form thyroid hormones.
              • Manganese is essential for the synthesis of thyroxine (T4). No supplementation is required if you include walnuts twice a week (30 g max).
              • The enzyme that converts T4 (prohormone) to T3 (active hormone) requires the presence of mineral cofactors: copper, iron, selenium, and zinc.
              • B vitamins also contribute to the proper functioning of the thyroid gland. They work synergistically, editor's note. Take a B50 complex twice a week. Not every day.
              • Magnesium, as already mentioned.
                Be careful with iodine intake: 225 mg once a week (kelp). Changes are made every 10 days, no sooner because the thyroid and brain need time to adapt (NIS).
                NIS: Iodine transport to thyroid cells occurs primarily via the sodium-iodide transporter (NIS), which uses the sodium gradient to bring iodide into the cell. Be careful not to administer it too quickly. This can have a counter-effect.
                NB: If you eat red meat, you don’t lack iron. Mind Mg, Se and I, often too short.
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                pittybitty
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                Make fruit and (low fat) milk your food staples, you can eat whatever you want in addition as long as you avoid PUFA (e.g. no vegetable/seed oils). After 2 years of that diet the metabolism should have recovered, though you will see results much sooner, they just won't be super consistent.

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                  LucH @pittybitty
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                  @pittybitty said in Tired, Low temp, but normal pulse - hypothyroid?:

                  Make fruit and (low fat) milk your food staples,

                  No, I don't agree.
                  Fruit juice doesn't match when you've got glycemia problem, unless you limit the amount to 100 ml per take, and you move (exercise) till the next one.
                  Eat rather a fruit with fibber.
                  When someone has a BMI above 25, near 30, we may suppose the burning of calories is not high. Low metabolism.
                  Not everybody is able to "burn" 1 liter orange juice on the day long. I agree OJ is fine (useful ingredient) but as a general rule we eat fructose with fiber!

                  And I don't see why low fat milk (skimmed), nor half fat.
                  Full fat milk is 3.5 % fat is ok.. Not a problem if there are SFA nor the type of fat.
                  Cow milk is 70% saturated fat, 25% monounsaturated fat, and 2.3% polyunsaturated fat. So very low PUFA if you drink 2 glasses.
                  The kind of trans-fat from butter, cheese and milk is not the same as the one in pastry. Not a problem.
                  PS: I won't say it so if you were suffering from leaky gut. Cross-reaction possible with wga protein (wheat). Not a problem with fat but with casein then.

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                    pittybitty @LucH
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                    @LucH Doesn't really matter, the liver is of secondary concern here. Every food has its little caveats and you have to figure out yourself which are problematic for your individual physiology and which aren't.

                    The fruit or fruit juice is because it is very easy to digest in comparison to other foods that include fats or starches, so you get more energy and nutrients without bogging down the already sluggish metabolism.

                    The milk should be low fat so you get closer to that ideal >70% carbs to <30% fat ratio so the Randle cycle is more efficient.

                    It's also recommendable to generally reduce fats because that makes avoiding PUFA much easier, there is still a significant amount of it in foods that aren't known for their PUFA content.

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                      LucH @pittybitty
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                      @pittybitty said in Tired, Low temp, but normal pulse - hypothyroid?:

                      Every food has its little caveats and you have to figure out yourself which are problematic for your individual physiology and which aren't.

                      I agree with your statement and the detailed explanation.
                      1° "The fruit or fruit juice is because it is very easy to digest in comparison to other foods that include fats or starches".
                      => Right. Sugar from fruit or honey is easier than starches to digest and assimilate. But it doesn't change the problem for glycemia (fruit juice vs fruit with fiber). I'd limit fruit juice.
                      By the way, I let most of my fruit 12' in a bicarbonated water, at pH 8.5 to get rid of 95 % pesticides. Not always the choice when buying fruits here.
                      (I've got a study if interested) (Or I could write a post) 😉
                      2° fat is optimal for metabolism functions at 20 % minimum. Targeting 30 % is what I do, provided we don't need oil or nuts to reach this target.
                      2 exceptions: coconut oil and olive oil. Olive oil only used with my greens.
                      One exception for me, not as a general rule:
                      Macadamia nuts have no PUFA. I often eat once a day 5-8 nuts.
                      Pecans nuts, not advised but I limit the take to 6 half nuts when I need fat to balance my breakfast when I eat "Jordan simply crunchy" (oat with honey).
                      50 g oat
                      a big handful of thin shredded coconut slices
                      6 half pecan nuts
                      sometimes a tbsp chocolate buns.
                      hazelnut milk or cow milk 240 ml.
                      NB: This meal brings 1.5 g PUFA (omega-6). I target 6 g maxi PUFA for the whole day (4.5 g omega-6 and 1.5 g omega-3) on my Cronometer log.
                      Pecans nuts are not a good choice, as for most nuts, but there are very reach in antioxidant. Thus I limit the frequency. Nobody is perfect 😉

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