My Experiments With Hormones
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Alright.
So I now have alpha gels which is just vitamin e, dmso, and micronized Testosterone.
Applying to my scrotum I get:
- Increase in energy
- Increase in aggression
- Increase in confidence
- Increase in strength
Application with DMSO is super messy, has to be rubbed in and I worry a lot about transference. There are many claims of 99% permeability with DMSO but it’s hard to say if that’s true, and what about the test on my hands from application.
Also I did find that sublingual felt better, more energy, it had to be dosed multiple times a day but it was extremely reliable, I also found libido a bit higher.
I need to find a way to make homemade sublingual test as the stuff I got sets off my allergies immediately.
Should vitamin e and test straight together work?
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@RFC32 said in My Experiments With Hormones:
Alright.
So I now have alpha gels which is just vitamin e, dmso, and micronized Testosterone.
Where did you buy this from?
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@RFC32 Did transdermal application anywhere other than scrotal have similer effects?
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How was the alphagels experience compared to other ways of test application you have tried?
Did alphagels feel stronger or last longer than your other experiments?
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@revenant said in My Experiments With Hormones:
@RFC32 said in My Experiments With Hormones:
Alright.
So I now have alpha gels which is just vitamin e, dmso, and micronized Testosterone.
Where did you buy this from?
There's an email you can order from, not sure if I'm allowed to share it here. If so I'll update it in here, can anyone tell me what's allowed and not? They sell DHT and Test in DMSO with vitamin E, bit pricey.
@PrinceTrebata said in My Experiments With Hormones:
@RFC32 Did transdermal application anywhere other than scrotal have similer effects?
I also tested naval and it felt really good, energy, drive, less anxious or fight feeling probably due to less DHT.
@metabolicmilk said in My Experiments With Hormones:
How was the alphagels experience compared to other ways of test application you have tried?
Did alphagels feel stronger or last longer than your other experiments?
It definitely lasts way longer, the sublingual stuff only lasts about two hours and it's noticeable.
I will say sublingual though is really amazing, honestly I think I prefer it. You just have to dose more.
The problem is the carrier used is toxic for me, my eyes become blurry, my skin breaks out and I look awful very quickly. I'm debating either doing test in Vitamin E suspension for sublingual or making pasties, that's a method I found trans MTF people use putting estrogen basically into gum you stick to your gums, I think I could do the same with testosterone.
DMSO test is cool though, but topical transference still has me freaked out.
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@metabolicmilk
I put Test into DMSO with good results, but it seems to have kicked off a terrible bout of allergies in me. Also, my eye area feels terrible and I look tired all the time.
It definitely delivers the T, though, very palpable.
I remember Ray said DMSO can cause release of NO and histamine. -
I wonder if on the occasions you felt groggy on a hormone, it would help to have been consuming more calories — taking it, is after all mimicking the effect of a high metabolic rate while bypassing the compromised metabolism.
Also, getting temps and pulse up is the holy grail of weight loss. I’d look more into Peat’s work on it if you haven’t. You’re not afraid of exogenous hormones so thyroid would be right up your alley.
Danny Roddy shared with me his experience with clients and research from Broda Barnes, that the body can’t burn fat however you try, without adequate temps.
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@RFC32 do you know what type of test alpha gels uses? i ask because when you look at raw test powders for sale theres multiple different types attached to different esters, and then theres test base which is supposed to be just pure test without an ester. I wonder if its better to go with one or the other or if it doesnt matter.
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Any updates?
Also, can someone chime in regarding oral test metabolizing in the liver? i remember when i wanted to get into AAS about 8 years ago reading that those oral test supplements are toxic to the liver when metabolized, but as far as i remember those werent real test but rather test derivates. Does this apply to real test as well?
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@NokiaDrift No it does not
lance armstrong famously drank The Oil, which is testosterone undecanoate or testosterone base dissolved in olive oil. it bypassed his liver and may actually improve liver health, your lymphatic system absorbs it, not the liver.
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC8451678/
Doing the same thing with vitamin e also works
mixing this with this would work very well orally
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Oral test is not toxic to the liver and in fact there are studies showing that it effectively raises testosterone concentrations at moderate dosages.
As you can see from the study plot, only 100 mg testosterone as free crystals increased T about 12 Nmol/L ~ 300 ng/dL (conservatively) at maximum, and for about 2 hours. So, if you took say 5 times that (500 mg) once or twice daily, you should have a linear if not super-linear transformation (since at higher doses, if anything the body's metabolism of T would decrease, leading to higher levels assuming absorption is not diminished) you should see a peak of about 1500 ng/dL above your natural level and it should be supraphysiological for several hours if not longer.
A lot of oral T is converted to DHT btw, so it should not be a problem as far as being overly estrogenic.
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This only applies to 17-a alkylated steroids or 7-a alkylated steroids (or really any synthetic androgen that is created in such a way that there is steric hinderance to its metabolism).
Oral androgens are not harmful in general. For example, in the 2000's there were many prohormones like 4-AD and 1-AD which were not methylated and were not liver toxic.
Oral test itself is not liver toxic and has in fact been used in combination with thiamine to help heal the liver.
