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    DHT + Derivatives doesnt actually shut you down

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    • jamezb46J Offline
      jamezb46 @alfredoolivas
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      @alfredoolivas Nothing that you said is illogical or even implausible, especially what you said about the intrinsic AR-mediated feedback on the testes themselves.

      However, I think estrogen does the majority of the work here. There is a reason why all, not most, but all of the PCT drugs are estrogen receptor blockers or AIs. None of them are anti-androgens nor do they act like anti-androgens in the brain as far as I am aware.

      Surely that fact needs to be part of the explanation as to what accounts for the lion's share of shutdown.

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      • hwisdomH Offline
        hwisdom @engineer
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        @engineer Ion rlly under reasonable doses it shouldnt

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        • hwisdomH Offline
          hwisdom @ethan
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          @ethan not feeling anything from tren is wild how much were u taking?

          also thank u for ur vit A suggestion I shall look into it more

          MILF
          man I love fasting

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          • hwisdomH Offline
            hwisdom @jamezb46
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            @jamezb46 this could be a viable explaination as to why lower doses of DHT doesnt cause shut down since at lower doses, dht is anti estrogenic, but at higher doses, it turns estrogenic

            MILF
            man I love fasting

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            • engineerE Offline
              engineer @hwisdom
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              @hwisdom I take this stuff for A https://www.amazon.com/dp/B004R63IAW

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              • hwisdomH Offline
                hwisdom @engineer
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                @engineer wouldnt this induce carotenoid poisoning and u turn into donald trump

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                • engineerE Offline
                  engineer @hwisdom
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                  @hwisdom said in DHT + Derivatives doesnt actually shut you down:

                  @engineer wouldnt this induce carotenoid poisoning and u turn into donald trump

                  I don't know

                  I've been taking it for a long time now and a whole lot of nothing has happened in the vit A toxicity department

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                  • hwisdomH Offline
                    hwisdom @engineer
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                    @engineer hahahahaha yea lwk vit A never was real it was lwk just hypothyroidsm all along

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                      sunsunsun @hwisdom
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                      @hwisdom you used the word doesn't but your plural word 'doses' necessitates the word 'don't' in this sentence

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                      • ethanE Offline
                        ethan @hwisdom
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                        60mg tren E makes me feel hungry and nothing else

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                        • hwisdomH Offline
                          hwisdom @sunsunsun
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                          @sunsunsun oh ok thank u but dang r u this bothered by it

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                            hwisdom @ethan
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                            @ethan intressting but anyhow what if the tren would make you grow by making u eat more the same way that the genetic code of a newborn trex nigga the size of a chicken would be driven to have a larger appetite so that it can eventually grow into a t rex think abt it fr

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                            • alfredoolivasA Offline
                              alfredoolivas @jamezb46
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                              @jamezb46 You are right. I was able to get natural production back after abusing grams of test for 1 year and 1 month, and I happened to be using high dose exemestane & thyroid. Also I always maintained my semen volume from ejaculation and the size of my balls.

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                                jamezb46 @alfredoolivas
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                                @alfredoolivas

                                Wow. So just to be clear you are saying that for about 13 months, your natural production was suppressed from AAS, BUT your ejaculate volume and testicle size were more or less normal during those same 13 months when you were abusing grams of test

                                THEN there came a time about 13 months after you began your cycle when you discontinued the AAS, used high dose Asin and thyroid and then subsequently recovered natural production? Is that right?

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                                • alfredoolivasA Offline
                                  alfredoolivas @jamezb46
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                                  @jamezb46 No, I was taking the thyroid and aromasin concurrent with the testsosterone.

                                  It's been 7 months after quitting cold turkey and my testosterone is normal according to my doctor. I get morning wood every day.

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                                  • jamezb46J Offline
                                    jamezb46 @alfredoolivas
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                                    @alfredoolivas IIRC RP's suggestion for boosting virility was to take P5 and thyroid concurrently.

                                    Do you think that Asin is more effective than p5 to maintain testicle function while on cycle?

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                                    • alfredoolivasA Offline
                                      alfredoolivas @jamezb46
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                                      @jamezb46 Well, I used 40mg+ of topical pregnenolone and DHT both dissolved in DMSO for 6 months before the cycle began, and I didn't notice any change in my testicles or semen then. But I can't compare the two, I didn't experiment them whilst on cycle.

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