What are your thoughts on germ theory and virus denial?
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Do you believe in germ theory or terrain? Do you think it's a mixture of both?
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@Sugar definitely both. Taking a binary approach and declaring that it can only be one or the other seems profoundly silly to me. I've been watching the people who claim that viruses haven't been isolated for a while now, and they come across like a cult. They keep repeating the same lines over and over, using almost the same wording, and don't seem very capable of original thought, or of understanding the science that they are attacking or quoting.
But saying that terrain doesn't matter is just as silly.
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@latte I see it the same as the flat earthers and hardcore christian creationists who believe the world is ending any day now, yes people legitimately can believe these things, but to me a lot of the hardcore out there conspiracies end up being grouped with people's rational questions about the world and how things are ran.
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"Virus Denial" is a pretty silly term. Still, I guess I would be a "Virus Denier," as I think the so called "proof" of viruses is so shoddy that it doesn't prove anything. Additionally, I would also be a "Santa Claus Denier" and "Godzilla Denier," as I don't think there is any adequate proof of either of those things ethier.
Really, the proof that most people use for the existence of "viruses" is circumstantial. People get sick, a lot of other people believe in viruses, and they have movies, TV shows and news reports about viruses causing illness, so they think "Viruses MUST exist."
But this is the exact same as a Child's belief in Santa Claus. After all, presents appear under the Christmas Tree on Christmas morning. Seemingly every other child believes in Santa Claus. There are lots of movies and TV shows the depict Santa Claus as real. Even news programs pretend that Santa is real. NORAD even has a Santa Claus tracker. Therefore, Santa Claus MUST exist.
Side note, if Santa were real, and NORAD were really tracking an unregistered foreign national that is alleged to break into millions of American Homes and spies on American Children, why wouldn't the US Government blow his aircraft to bits the second it violated US airspace?
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I've been watching the people who claim that viruses haven't been isolated for a while now, and they come across like a cult. They keep repeating the same lines over and over, using almost the same wording, and don't seem very capable of original thought, or of understanding the science that they are attacking or quoting.
Have you actually read a virus isolation report? I have, and I do understand the so called "science" that virologists are using. I put that in quotes, because the process used isn't really science at all. It's more of a ritual with a thin veneer of "science" covering it, basically a science skin suit. I'm not really a fan of the word "Psuedoscience," but that word is a perfect description of virology.
Critics of virology will often state that no virus has been "isolated" because no sort of isolation ever occurred. They will often state that no virus has been demonstrated to cause a single symptom in any human, plant or animal, because it has never been demonstrated. They say there is no direct way to detect a virus, because there is no way to directly detect a virus. So yes, the critics will say the same things over and over, but that is because those criticisms are true. If you ask a driver to describe what traffic signals mean, you will hear that red means stop, green means go, and yellow means slow down or proceed with caution over and over again. That itself is not a sign of a "drivers cult," but really a representation of what common traffic signals mean.
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Do you believe in germ theory or terrain? Do you think it's a mixture of both?
Germ theory is just that, a theory. I think there are bacteria or living matters / small "bugs," and they carry from objects, animals, etc. Maybe they die but the foreign matter is met with antibody reaction in humans and probably animals too. This makes sense to me though I don't know much about it.
The "Virus" topic is just like germ theory but more "advanced." I think there are far more problems with proving the existence of viruses. A big reason is because all "proven" viruses require tests in order to be verified! This means the testing bureaucracy has the power to devise X test that supposedly proves Y virus. This is the basis afaik of modern virology.
What about hives? The ads you hear say that almost everybody "has the hives virus." They want you to take shots to prevent it. But if everybody has the virus then what is the shot preventing? Symptoms or visible expression during a hives attack, apparently. Ok, but I believe stress and aging is a major cause of hives. If there is some bacteria / immune response which all people have to a "hives" information set, then this means any treatment can only deal with the symptoms, just like herpes (because most people have oral herpes simplex virus - over 50% of adults in US), and that it cannot be prevented outright, as the medicines and vaccines claim to do.
"Virus denial" or "germ denial" is sort of silly. We shouldn't be too quick to write off all medical research even if a good bit of it is just repeated falsehoods. I really don't think the "professionals" have a good grasp on any of this stuff either. The world was saying "COVID" for several years but I would test negative several times as testing was more or less required for work and during the scamdemic. I've been sick with intense symptoms several other times in the last few years and tests were negative. In the book Invisible Rainbow the author argues that electricity, radio/vlf, and wifi are responsible for physical and mental health problems - and have been since the dawn of widespread electric power in the 1800s. I think this might be a genuine matter within the 5g / Vaxx meme. The vax may or may not have anything to do with the increasing and exhaustive use of 5G in everyday life, work, home, etc. "Starlink" seems to be another sham / scam system of harvesting ground-based wi-fi signals...without any need for satellites thousands of miles away from Earth.
Highly recommend Invisible Rainbow for reading more on alleged, documented, and studied cases of electrical sickness. He mentions many cases when the first wireless phones went live in like 1996. Also some speculation about radio towers, cancer, and such. I don't know if I believe all of it, but what I do believe is the industry will always lobby to cook their "safety" tests and push through what regulations there are in order to sell more products (smartphones, wifi routers, now smartwatches, kindles, smart-cars, smart appliances, etc). All of this "smart" technology looks increasingly dumb if only because we DON'T know what the effects are or will be. And, will it ever be studied in an authentic manner? How can there be control studies if everyone is exposed to some wireless radiation?
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Interesting. I've been meaning to check his references. There are like 100+ pages of citations in the book so it isn't just fear-mongering pseudo-science. Is the 97.3 mhz from wifi or other sources?
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@Corngold said:
Interesting. I've been meaning to check his references. There are like 100+ pages of citations in the book so it isn't just fear-mongering pseudo-science. Is the 97.3 mhz from wifi or other sources?There's some humour in the comment but it's still a thing. It's a very unmusical radio station here.
Besides that I can corroborate references for the modulated effects. The journals are filled with them and it's intuitive anyway. I just don't concern myself with it. I wouldn't work or sleep for any length or frequency within an unreasonable distance of a fixed transmitter if I can help it. But the various applications of ITU schemes have remarkable uses anyway. And the history is cool.
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