Cutting out animal protein alleviates my autoimmune symptoms
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I have AS (ankylosing spondylitis) and to make a very, very long story short: after cutting out all animal protein my AS symptoms decreased severely. Could it be the cysteine or methionine? Or tryptophan?
I am looking to add in different protein sources, and am trying collagen as we speak. Because a low protein diet does make me feel very fragile and I'm losing strength in the gym.
Would love anyone else's take on this
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Check out this thread and make this every week, to use as a base for soups and sauces:
https://twitter.com/thesquattingman/status/1737526599023526043
Collagen is not a supplement, it's a food. So to get it from some powder is not only very expensive, but you have no way of assuring they manufacture it properly. This broth is super rich in collagen, it's likely twice as much collagen as one of those 20 dollar boxes.
And yes it's likely that muscle meat causes inflammation! To make sure your protein needs are met you should try switching to a more gelatin rich diet for protein. Lamb, ox shanks are also things that naturally have more of it. I like to use the broth above as a base for a sauce and then have my muscle meat with that sauce to balance the amino-acids.
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@CO3 why would the powder be expensive? Powders are cheaper usually
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@thyroidchor27 well because it's marketed as a 'supplement' while it's actually food. the quality is also lower.
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@payreat Collagen is not pro-anabolic, thus significant muscle gain should not be anticipated. It's not just the presence of animal protein that's crucial, but their ratios as well, with the glycine to methionine ratio likely playing a critical role in maintaining robust immune function.
Why it matters?
If the glycine to methionine ratio is too low, it can disrupt various bodily functions. This imbalance may lead to reduced effectiveness in the body's detoxification processes, increased oxidative stress, and potentially hinder the synthesis of important molecules like glutathione, which is crucial for antioxidant defense. Over time, such an imbalance can contribute to the development of chronic diseases and impair immune function.
Chris MasterJohn recommends a G:M ratio of 4:1
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@Uroš i eat around 80 grams of protein from collagen/gelatine daily now. Do you suggest I eat 20 grams of methionine protein on top of that?
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90% of AS cases (the so-called HLA-B27 positive) are definitively linked to Klebsiella growth in the gut, and limiting the growth of Klebsiella bacteria by avoiding all starch is essentially curative. Some links:
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/1561397/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/8835506/It may be that because of your particular microbiome makeup limiting protein somehow reduces Klebsiella growth. Limiting nitrogen availability is a strategy that the body uses to control microbiome growth.
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@BioS am familiar with the Klebsiella studies. Strangely enough, high starch low protein seems to alleviate symptoms much more than low starch high protein does
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Interesting! Tryptophan can be very inflammatory, and if you are hypothyroid low protein can alleviate certain symptoms. As has been mentioned above, the balance of amino acids is key.
In From PMS to Menopause Ray writes: "In the case of amino acids, balance is everything"
