HEIGHTMAXXING - LOG
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@Achille Insightful. Do you do these? Also how often?
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This is a recipe for disaster. You have so many variables at play id be surprised if you stay consistent. Secondly, you are doing things that are working against you. Squats compress the spine and will make you shorter. Dead hangs and yoga promote joint/ligament laxity and will either directly hurt you or make you more injury prone. Cycling will ruin your posture, promote thoracic kyphosis, and over develop your quads relative to the rest of your body, throwing off your biomechanics.
If you’re looking for a style of training, functional patterns is where it’s at. Even if you don’t want to go that deep, you’re better off just walking for prolonged periods of time and doing some light calisthenics. Humans evolved standing, walking, running, and throwing. Optimal hormone production, posture, and biomechanics will come from following our evolutional footprint, not from praying to a non-existent deity.
Over time, with better hormone production, ideally you become more secure in yourself and get over your height insecurity.
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@Runenight201 Functional Patterns Cult member alert
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Not even bro I don’t agree with them on many points such as polyvagal theory and the role nutrition/supplements play in overall health, but they are spot on when it comes to the correct way to exercise and move.
I take truth where I see it and integrate it. Failure to do this ends up in doing stupid things that end up giving you subpar or even negative results.
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@Runenight201 I agree with your central point to Kilgore that he might be utilizing too many tools in his height quest. But I find an extremist, black or white tone when you consider things like weightlifting, cycling, or yoga. Any of these in excess may indeed be harmful, especially cycling.
However, you saying that hanging or yoga will "directly hurt you" or "make you more injury prone" is fear-mongering BS. I cured a severe shoulder impingement through hanging and stretching.
I'm not a massive fan of yoga but to say that stretching your hip flexors out through a low lunge will create joint laxity when most of us sit way too much is insane.
If you're seeking the truth, don't do stupid things like believing any single movement will result in immediate damage. Do you think our ancestors worried about spinal compression when they needed to squat and take a shit? No, that's feeble minded thinking.
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@Kilgore Hi. Thanks for consolidating the information. At 22 you can still grow, via epiphyseal plate in spine, given you don't have any present chronic hormonal imbalances.
I believe RPF had a post about how protein quality and not quantity affects growth. So you can consider adding in collagen/gelatin (20-30g/day), and Taurine.
to add to the regimen, you can also consider the rustom stretches. I did it for a month and had temporary increase in morning height. I gave up because it made me uncomfortable to sleep deeply.
All the best in your endeavour
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@GreekDemiGod said in HEIGHTMAXXING - LOG 1:
Currently doing affirmations. Call me crazy, but I swear I can feel my bones “activating” and hurting when I’m affirming.
And my POV feels higher.“I am taller and taller”
“I am growing each day”
“I am <desired-height> tall”Repeated at least 100 times per day.
I am 6ft1, not bad, but wouldn’t mind being 6ft3 or 6ft4.
"Grow, grow, grow"
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@Runenight201 Thanks for your reply. My post for now is just drawing up ideas so I am looking for reply's like yours that have something to say/critique.
You have so many variables at play id be surprised if you stay consistent.
I think in general the exercises can be put into two groups: spine lengthening/straightening (yoga, neck stretches, massage foam, dead hangs) , and leg lengthening (the rest). Based on how stiff I am and the testimonies I have read I'm pretty confident I'll grow 1-2 inches from spine stretching. Although not much more is possible I'm afraid. Leg lengthening I am not even sure I believe its possible but will give it a try. I have not yet researched those ideas at all. As for consistency you don't have to worry about those things. I am pretty consistent in everything I do.
Squats compress the spine and will make you shorter.
Yeah I think so too, but someone else said it could help promote growth if I stretch out afterwards. I cant even do squats with weight just body weight. (I'm not fat just weak and stiff).
Cycling will ruin your posture
Not really especially not the little amount I will do + correcting posture with exercises.
promote thoracic kyphosis, and over develop your quads relative to the rest of your body, throwing off your biomechanics.
It ain't gonna overdevelop nothing.
That being said I am happy to sacrifice health points for this. I haven't been sick since I was 10, 6 of my great-grand parents lived over 90 (despite living under communism), and my grandma just got out of a coma for the third time after her 3rd stroke and is now dancing. My bloodline is as tough as Stalin as my Grandpa would say who is in perfect health and spends his days fishing, walking, swimming and fucking. I am not a slight bit worried of not living at least to 90. Unless I get poisoned by commies taking revenge on my great grandpa.If you’re looking for a style of training, functional patterns is where it’s at.
I have heard this being mentioned. Why is it so good? Are you practicing it? Where do you think its best to start with it? I did walk a lot during summer, about 2 hours of the day at least.
praying to a non-existent deity.
That's just a joke pal.
Over time, with better hormone production, ideally you become more secure in yourself and get over your height insecurity.
I am not insecure, just interested in pushing my body and to see what it can do. I didnt even find out this matters at all until Like 5 months ago when I started using twitter. In real life no one gives a shit. Its the 1% terminally online NEETs who try to blackpill each other about everything. Never even met women who asked my height.
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@PeatyICT said in HEIGHTMAXXING - LOG 1:
chronic hormonal imbalances
How do I find out about that. I assume I would have to have some serious health problem? Cause I have none.
So you can consider adding in collagen/gelatin (20-30g/day), and Taurine.
Will keep in mind.
I gave up because it made me uncomfortable to sleep deeply.
You cant give up. We must push human boundaries. That's the essence of Ray Peat.
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Squatting down with your body weight to take a shit is not equivalent to loading up a barbell and doing a weighted static single plane movement. This really boils down to who we are as humans and why we have the bodies that we do, which involves studying our anthropological and evolutionary history.
The human body developed to become extremely efficient at bipedal locomotion, and the shoulder developed to hurl objects through space and utilize tools. This is what made us very successful hunters-gatherers. If your training deviates from this core, what ends up happening is as you age your body starts running into problems and pain from poor movement patterns. People then turn to some form of drugs or TRT to help alleviate their self-induced problem.
When it comes to stretching, it is much better to practice reciprocal inhibition, where you stretch out a tricep while contracting the bicep, which is what our bodies were designed to do, then to passively lengthen with no active contraction. There’s no functional utility to the latter and is not training your body to work as an integrated system. Movement does not happen in isolation, it’s a coordinated stabilization, activation, and de-activation of multiple different musculoskeletal systems. Furthermore, by passive lengthening, your losing functional strength because the fascia lose the ability to contract with as much force as the bands become elongated and lax. Take a band and stretch it out and over time it loses its elasticity.
Sitting is a real problem, but there’s far better ways to counteract its negative effects than stretching your hip flexors.
Lastly, If you go ask an orthopedic surgeon who they are doing surgery on, it’s 50 year old gym bros who squatted/deadlifted for years and ex-yogis. These practices are bunk and need to be rooted out of the culture.
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Mate your only 22 yrs old so your body is more resilient to whatever you throw at it, but if you’re looking for something that you can take with you until the day you die and keeps you as fit as can be, then you need a style of training that will keep you healthy and pain free for life. It’s better to invest in building up a resilient body NOW and keep it running like a well-built, smooth, efficient machine than to build a clunky, inefficient painful/awkward one.
Functional Patterns is more a response to the fact that the styles of training seen in bodybuilding culture ended up hurting way more people than it helped. The people who promote it and get away with that style of training blast steroids and/or TRT to mask the fact that the style of training is not regenerative and sustainable. Functional Patterns promotes a style of training that is in line with our paleobiology and thus most appropriate, most healthy, most safe, and most functional for humans to do.
You worship the wrong god. The judeochristian god is a delusional man made invention from a primitive people who didn’t understand reality. The only God you need to worship is Life and this Universe, and by following first principles and it’s laws will you actually see positive change in your life. Anything that you do which is against the laws of nature and what evolution designed us for you’ll pay a price for.
I was raised Catholic and firmly believed in god and all that, would pray every day neurotically for him to make me a better soccer player and for the girls in my class to like me, none of that shit worked. I was a subpar athlete and unattractive to women. You know what actually makes me a better athlete? What makes me more attractive to women? Prioritizing high quality nutrition, training properly, keeping my cognitive faculties sharp, body/mind/emotional soul grounded and capable.
Elongating and decompressing the spine are great ideas, but you have to lock those gains in. If you just passively stretch it out, your body is just going to sink back to where you started, on top of the fact that stretching weakens your body over time as those muscles which are lengthened lose their elasticity and force contraction potential. You want to practice stretching your muscles in coordination with a functional movement pattern to adapt your body properly. Practicing things like standing transverse abdominal retractions and bird dogs will build core stability while elongating and decompressing the spine.
You can do what you want, and I’ll leave you alone, cuz it’s your life, but sacrificing health points for anything is really stupid, but I’m not surprised given your age and the kind of blind folly that youth tends to give.
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@Runenight201 said in HEIGHTMAXXING - LOG 1:
It’s better to invest in building up a resilient body NOW and keep it running like a well-built, smooth, efficient machine than to build a clunky, inefficient painful/awkward one.
Yes, we have the same idea.
Functional Patterns is more a response to the fact that the styles of training seen in bodybuilding culture ended up hurting way more people than it helped. The people who promote it and get away with that style of training blast steroids and/or TRT to mask the fact that the style of training is not regenerative and sustainable. Functional Patterns promotes a style of training that is in line with our paleobiology and thus most appropriate, most healthy, most safe, and most functional for humans to do.
Okay. Interesting.
You worship the wrong god. The judeochristian god is a delusional man made invention from a primitive people who didn’t understand reality.
As I said. I don't believe in god, its a joke. I dont think I believed in it for a day in my life. On top of that my parents are the biggest CINOs I have ever seen.
Prioritizing high quality nutrition, training properly, keeping my cognitive faculties sharp, body/mind/emotional soul grounded and capable.
Completely agree.
You want to practice stretching your muscles in coordination with a functional movement pattern to adapt your body properly.
I will look into this more. What is the best resource to look into?
and I’ll leave you alone,
I made this thread to discuss ideas of growing taller and to see if and how much is possible. So the more info you share the better it will be. The more we debate the closer we get to the truth. Thanks for your input.
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Lmao nice. I’ll step down from my high horse and chill the fuck out.
How’s your posture? If you have any spinal distortions, either scoliosis or kyphosis or lordosis, correcting those should add height. This would be the lowest hanging fruit imo. Maybe an 1-2 inch gain depending on how bad it is.
If you want to dive into the whole system of Functional Patterns, you’d have to buy their 10 week online course, which lays the foundation for what it means to have good posture, and some basic correctional exercises for getting there. Outside of that, in general, elongating the spine, expanding the rib cage, correcting kyphosis/lordosis and achieving neutrality with good core function is pretty much what you’re going for.
I’ve got nothing to add on how to hack your biology and do the miraculous of growing bone laterally as opposed to radially. The mechanisms for radial bone growth once growth plate fusion occurs can be readily replicated, Im not sure about lateral bone growth past growth plate fusion. Outside of surgery, I’m highly skeptical it’s possible.
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I'd go a lot higher on Vit K, 5-15mg MK4. Good luck man!
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@Runenight201 said in HEIGHTMAXXING - LOG 1:
How’s your posture? scoliosis or kyphosis or lordosis
I dont think its that bad.
This would be the lowest hanging fruit imo.
Yeah I think this too.
As I said I am pretty stiff and cant even do any of the yoga exercises I listed properly. So that makes me think that there is literally room to grow.
If you want to dive into the whole system of Functional Patterns, you’d have to buy their 10 week online course, which lays the foundation for what it means to have good posture, and some basic correctional exercises for getting there. Outside of that, in general, elongating the spine, expanding the rib cage, correcting kyphosis/lordosis and achieving neutrality with good core function is pretty much what you’re going for.
I'll look into this more and will update. Thanks for your input.
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@onliest Yeah I figured that too 5mg+ is what I will go with. I'm thinking should I take some orally and also apply to shins?
Good luck man!
Thanks
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@Kilgore It was sent to me recently, but I haven't tried it yet. It's from the Skyscrapper method from aestheticprimal on IG. Apparently you should do this as much as possible or even every day, but also listen to your body and let the microfractures repair themselves if need be. You could expect to see results in a few weeks if you're diligent and optimize your sleep, etc.
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@Achille said in HEIGHTMAXXING - LOG 1:
Skyscrapper method
What a name.
You could expect to see results in a few weeks if you're diligent and optimize your sleep, etc.
Interesting....
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@Achille Do you think the stretch bands should be like 10lbs, 15lbs, 25 lbs or should they be like a normal band? Also would it make sense to have your feet point downward when strecthing?
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@Achille said in HEIGHTMAXXING - LOG 1:
aestheticprimal
Think I saw him on twitter. Cant remember if he was cringe or not tough.
