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    pittybitty @_K
    last edited by Mar 17, 2024, 11:56 AM

    @_K It is the same for me. There is two important signals for resetting your circadian rhythm, eating and sunlight. Go outside immediately after waking up early in the morning and grab breakfast. Only works if it is sunny though.

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      Creuset @_K
      last edited by Mar 17, 2024, 12:05 PM

      @_K How many calories do you eat per day, what's your weight, height and age? I used to suffer from similar problems when I wasn't eating enough calories.

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        DavidPS
        last edited by Mar 17, 2024, 3:28 PM

        Ray Peat has cautioned us about the harmful effects of blue light and wavelengths of radiation that are shorter than the blue wavelengths. However as is often the case, the dose is the poison. The study below suggests that an intentional addition of a small dose of blue light in the morning may be helpful for some people.

        Sunlight has a circadian pattern and Ray has spoken about the benefical effects of the red light associated with early morning sunlight. Coincidently, early morning sunlight has very little blue light. I am wondering is the amount of blue light in the morning sunlight is not quite enough to turn-off the systemic melatonin in some people.

        Morning blue light treatment improves sleep complaints, symptom severity, and retention of fear extinction memory in post-traumatic stress disorder

        โ€œMedical science has made such tremendous progress that there is hardly a healthy human left.โ€
        Aldous Huxley ๐Ÿ‘€
        โ˜‚๏ธ

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          VehmicJuryman
          last edited by Mar 18, 2024, 5:28 AM

          Aspirin temporarily (for about a week) fixed this for me but after a few particularly stressful days the problem returned.

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            Insomniac @basebolt
            last edited by Jul 2, 2024, 10:54 AM

            @basebolt said in Sleep Issues - Please Help:

            temporarily fixed from niacin but only for a few days

            Everything stops working after a few days. Very frustrating

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              OliverCloasov
              last edited by Jul 2, 2024, 3:37 PM

              I had this issue for an entire year, but it's (seemingly) resolved for the past 8mo or so.
              What helped me:

              • no caffeine past 2pm, ever
              • no cigarettes past 7pm (still working on quitting)
              • blue light filter on computer (flux for windows) and phone, linked to sunrise/sunset
              • going outside in bright sun several times a day, most importantly in the early morning
              • 1 hour walk with ankle weights after dinner 5:30ish
              • 300mg GABA + 1/4 tsp glycine + Mg once the sun has set. 1:2 OJ:seltzer afterwards, avoiding eating anything but a bit of fruit (if that)
              • no video games, tv shows or otherwise stimulating activities within 2 hours before bed
              • 10 min spurts of bodyweight exercise throughout the day
              • no heavy proteins withing 4 hours of when I aim to go to bed (especially animal protein)
              • turning off Wi-Fi in the house at night
              • sleep area clear of E fields from appliances, tvs, etc
              • phone airplane mode at night
              • changed my house lights to warm white, avoiding daylight bulbs like the plague
              • rgb room light at night so I can transition room lighting from golden yellow at sundown to red after sunset
              • reading a book an hour before bed
              • using blackout curtains or equivalent to prevent the light from the stupid blue LED Street lamps coming in
              • ensuring there are no little lights from any devices, monitors, computers, etc glowing in my sleep room

              There might be a few more things involved, but this is what I've come to realize made a difference in concert

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                S.Holmes @OliverCloasov
                last edited by S.Holmes Jul 2, 2024, 4:44 PM Jul 2, 2024, 4:41 PM

                You can try doxylamine succinate (an antihistamine, also known as Sleep Aid) at bedtime to help with a reset. Also some hot cocoa sweetened with sugar (or better dextrose). These always work for me.

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                  Insomniac @OliverCloasov
                  last edited by Insomniac Jul 2, 2024, 8:21 PM Jul 2, 2024, 8:16 PM

                  @OliverCloasov To sleep like Oliver you must become Olive...lol
                  That's a long slog my friend.

                  Thanks for posting some good ideas. I need to work on my sleep hygiene. That's the thing a lot of people like me overlook.

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                    Insomniac @S.Holmes
                    last edited by Insomniac Jul 2, 2024, 8:39 PM Jul 2, 2024, 8:23 PM

                    @S-Holmes said in Sleep Issues - Please Help:

                    You can try doxylamine succinate (an antihistamine, also known as Sleep Aid) at bedtime to help with a reset. Also some hot cocoa sweetened with sugar (or better dextrose). These always work for me.

                    Doxy works real well for a while but I always adapt and it stops working. It's one of the few drugs that I would also recommend. Thanks for the suggestions

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                      OliverCloasov @Insomniac
                      last edited by Jul 2, 2024, 9:06 PM

                      @Insomniac Happy to share ๐Ÿ˜€

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                        herayclitus @_K
                        last edited by Jul 2, 2024, 10:44 PM

                        @_K Have you tried cyproheptadine? It can have a very potent sedative effect, especially when taken a few hours before bed

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                          Insomniac @herayclitus
                          last edited by Jul 2, 2024, 11:12 PM

                          @herayclitus said in Sleep Issues - Please Help:

                          @_K Have you tried cyproheptadine? It can have a very potent sedative effect, especially when taken a few hours before bed

                          No I haven't. I was going to but I read on the raypeatforum that people thought doxylamine was very similar. It's worth a try. It's a shame it isn't over the counter like some other countries. Thanks for the recommendation.

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                            herayclitus @Insomniac
                            last edited by Jul 3, 2024, 5:30 AM

                            @Insomniac Yeah it's definitely stronger than doxylamine in my experience, the downside is you can become resistant to it pretty fast unfortunately. The IdeaLabs cyproheptadine works pretty well I think

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                              Insomniac @herayclitus
                              last edited by Jul 3, 2024, 4:34 PM

                              @herayclitus Do you take brakes? How do you keep it working?

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                                herayclitus @Insomniac
                                last edited by Jul 3, 2024, 6:59 PM

                                @Insomniac Yes, it's best to cycle on/off every few weeks and stick to the lowest effective dosage. I usually do 2-5mg maximum

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