10th Grade Daughter is Vaping
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@JamesGatz
Thx for your quick response
I tagged you knowing you possibly taught in high schools
Seeing this first handWe live in a affluent and materialistic part of our city
We are the only family we know that kept our kids unvaxxedThe poor counties come to our high school to deal heroin to the rich kids
It’s gross hereIve read in the last day or two
Online advice dealing with this matterIt seems extreme and inflammatory
But
I may be naiveThx again for reaching out
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There are a myriad of studies establishing correlation between THC and psychosis/schizophrenia. The basic google search says "Cannabis is involved in approximately 50% of psychosis, schizophrenia, and schizophreniform psychosis cases" (5 sources in https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3927252/)
The mechanism is a bit more difficult to prove. Ray Peat says about schizophrenics:
"Schizophrenics were significantly more hypofrontal than the controls" (https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/7892362/)
"Decreased frontal cortical glucose metabolism has been demonstrated in adult schizophrenics both at rest and while engaging in tasks that normally increase frontal metabolism," (https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/9437771/)There's a similar structure to cannabis users:
Cannabis Abusers (started from a young age) show hypofrontality and lower brain glucose metabolism (https://www.nature.com/articles/npp201667)
Acute marijuana users are on the same trajectory as chronic marijuana users from (https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/12784905/)
Haidut writes about how it increases serotonin signalling, with a link between serotonin and forms of psychosis
All over the place you'll find that neurosteroids rise in the brain in order to counteract the effects of drugs like cocaine and this is also the case with pregnenolone in response to THC
When you first smoke weed it is difficult to get high, but with each subsequent time you do it, it gets easier for you to get high. To me this means the THC interferes with the way pregnenolone is structured in the brain. THC also inhibits steroidogenesis by preventing the conversion of pregnenolone to progesterone. I think if this pregnenolone isn't converted into anything downstream, it's just excreted.
There's also a structurally similar lesser brain glucose metabolism (which is seen in aging: Lower brain glucose metabolism in normal ageing is predominantly frontal and temporal) akin to schizos.
Anecdotally every pothead I know has the demeanor of an easy going, chill guy but seemingly blows up at the slightest inconvenience, has difficulty sleeping, has tubby tits (it's also anti androgenic from what I remember) and has some form of anxiety.
Honestly just tell her to smoke cigs.
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That's right around the time I smoked my first doob, and bong, and blunt. Oops.
It definitely derailed my dopamine response and made it harder to order an expectation, an effort and a reward. But was that the cannabis anymore than than my "social" life lighting up. And without the latter would it have persisted without places, times and company. I don't know.
I'm not sure parental intervention could have put a stop to this. But I never revealed it, nor was I asked directly. And I had an elaborate system to conceal it. What would it have meant if it did. I'd probably have looked a lot smarter on paper, gone to a better university, and been able to jam over prog metal blindfolded. So all in it's probably liable to misdirect attention and the flow of energy, in and out. You can get her wise to that in your triage, but she probably is in her own way already.
The context of her use will matter a lot. The "happy kid" part speaks for itself. She's unlikely to be capable of faking that in your eyes. So it's probably a peer thing. With a hint of disquiet about the nature of this world and its expectations. Get your intel Peatful
Keep talking and don't worry without a starker indication you ought to. -
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Probably bad, but I won't lecture. I started smoking cannabis at 15. As for the science, there seems to be more and more damning evidence to suggest smoking cannabis in adolescents can increase schizo-like symptoms. What's more, well from a bioenergectic perspective it seems like cannabis is actually a stressor. Which is weird to think about, because popular culture paints it as a substance used to "chill people out." But there's evidence showing cannabis smoke increases estrogen and cortisol. There's also evidence to show it could cause cardiovascular issues in people who have long-term use for years and years. Which is certainly plausible considering how serotonergic cannabis is, and serotonin is a cardiac toxin. Other environmental aspects are important to keep in mind too however. Most cannabis smokers eat a processed food diet and live sedentary lifestyles.
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Hello everyone.
I just gently approached her with the vape pen or pipe in my possession.
And
She denies it is hers
Lol
It’s hers
Im willing to grant amnesty for the truth
If anyone wants to chime in
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@Mulloch94 thank you
Per usual I’m behind the wheel of a car
But I appreciate you reaching out and I just posted a quick question about amnesty any Feedback, of course is appreciated, but not expected -
Maybe there's a boy in the frame. There was a girl in mine.
Not a thought for a blame game. It's always us really. But there's always context.
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@Peatful just press that she is not in trouble and you are just concerned for her health.
Also “no free lunch,” cliche as it might be, is a pretty good way to illustrate the trade offs of the “chilled out” effect of weed. (It will make you more neurotic without it over time)
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I smoked weed every single day of college, still got a 3.9+ GPA, and was accepted into an extremely competitive grad program. I quit completely the year after I graduated as it made me anxious, lethargic, and unsociable.
As a parent, I think the true worry is whether it will interfere with her long-term goals. I have friends that still smoke everyday and they have stagnated in life, both spiritually and by worldly measures.
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To everyone:
Thank you allI think the weight of conviction crushed her
I left to run errands
My husband wasn’t home
Nor her sisterBy the time we all got back
She was a pitiful and remorseful kid
Apologized and was embarrassed
Moving forward:
I think it’s all a combination of factors stated abovePeers. Novelty. Boys?
But COPINGI think it’s a way to just be alone and chill…
There is so much pressure on these kids
So much AP work
Stupid shtt she sees right throughShe sits in a classroom in front of a smart-board
With headphones on
In front of a computerSchools don’t care about kids
