The ethics of having children while in sub-standard metabolic condition

[zawisza]

@DonkeyDude said in The ethics of having children while in sub-standard metabolic condition:

I've also met children of total failures who still idolize them as long as the parent in question was even a little bit warm and loving.

Personally, I've never met someone who had any dislike for their parents unless they were divorced, addicts, or acting like children all the time. I think as long as parent tries to be better and spends time with children then it's very very unlikely that they will end up disliking him.

@DonkeyDude said in The ethics of having children while in sub-standard metabolic condition:

Well, I'm returning to some kind of psychiatric care soon anyway, maybe it does help.

For the sake of my consciousness I'll add that it's very important to be wary of any psych meds and psychiatrists since very few have a moral compass of any sort, but you probably know this better than I.

[DonkeyDude]

@zawisza said in The ethics of having children while in sub-standard metabolic condition:

For the sake of my consciousness I'll add that it's very important to be wary of any psych meds and psychiatrists since very few have a moral compass of any sort, but you probably know this better than I.

I for sure wish I had never taken SSRIs and I can't believe that they still continue to be given out like candy. I also have been recently surprised to learn that there's a special diagnostic category for psych patients who refuse to comply with pharmaceutical therapy, like it was a pathology or even a disease in its own right. Thanks for a warning anyway.

[ThinPicking]

@Kvirion said in The ethics of having children while in sub-standard metabolic condition:

Have you also considered the consequences of bringing a child to a world that will with high probability encounter collapse pretty soon? Our current lifestyle is impossible to sustain, Earth is already overly exploited - both culturally and ecologically...

Kivirion. I must try to arrest this vision. "collapse" is not a matter of probability at all. It's a matter of choices and perspectives, which will hinge on conversations. Many uncomfortable. Please be careful with your speech and imagery. At first and foremost for yourself.

There's nothing new under the sun. The current 0.04% of human history is simply a bit Mayan in its nature. That is to say we appear to appease the deference of sacrifice on a grand scale. Fundamentally that is why some seem somewhat desperate for "crisis" to cover their losses, while chickens come home to roost. If you want to go there, you will. And if you don't, you won't. Life will go on either way. Until the last man wakes up, smells the Peaty coffee and faces the music.

This casual observer thinks the problem for many is closer to home than comfort would allow for. At some point, he may be capable of describing it with poetry and science. But in many ways. Raymond already did. Not to mention it's in the Bible. And probably the Quran. And probably the Torah. And what better cardiac stimulant is there than a son, a daughter, a brother, or a sister. Don't worry. Because you're already surrounded. Now the hard part.

[Kvirion]

@ThinPicking said in The ethics of having children while in sub-standard metabolic condition:

Kvirion. I must try to arrest this vision. "collapse" is not a matter of probability at all. It's a matter of choices and perspectives, which will hinge on conversations.

LOL! Are you trying to claim that our world and its future are just social constructs?

The path to a collapse is clear. And knowing the inertia of human civilization it is pretty inevitable... The choice was taken a long time ago in 1980-ties, when the West decided to enter an exploitative neoliberal path... Or even earlier during the industrial revolution...
We just don't know the exact date and scale of the upcoming mess yet...

Please be careful with your speech and imagery. At first and foremost for yourself.

I'm saying that responsibly as a well-trained sense-maker and risk assessor. What are your credentials?
BTW False blind optimism will make things worse. Proactive people like to be prepared. But maybe NPCs/normies like to live in a false illusion of safety... "All will be great, just mindlessly consume more."

There's nothing new under the sun. The current 0.04% of human history is simply a bit Mayan in its nature.

Yep, and the history likes to repeat itself, but this time a fall will be considerably worse...
Every future parent should know about this and make a conscious decision...

[zawisza]

@Kvirion said in The ethics of having children while in sub-standard metabolic condition:

I'm saying that responsibly as a well-trained sense-maker and risk assessor. What are your credentials?

Too bad I'm even-better-trained sense-maker and risk assessor. So, what are YOUR credentials, huh? Moreover, I have officially recognised and independently calibrated retardation detector and your comment set a new measurement record. Well done.

[Kvirion]

@zawisza LOL, you like to deny reality, as all fans of Konfederacja do.

[zawisza]

@Kvirion said in The ethics of having children while in sub-standard metabolic condition:

fans of Konfederacja

Huh? Why would I be their fan? Judging your age by your overly liberal use of "LOL" and childish level of blackpill you're more in line with an average voter of theirs.

[ThinPicking]

@Kvirion said in The ethics of having children while in sub-standard metabolic condition:

LOL! Are you trying to claim that our world and its future are just social constructs?

The path to a collapse is clear. And knowing the inertia of human civilization it is pretty inevitable... The choice was taken a long time ago in 1980-ties, when the West decided to enter an exploitative neoliberal path... Or even earlier during the industrial revolution...

No chap. You're just a bit thick, hopefully temporarily.

"clear"... to you. You're only capable of prophesying your life. Or others you might be able to deceive. I'm not reading much capability in that department.

@Kvirion said in The ethics of having children while in sub-standard metabolic condition:

Please be careful with your speech and imagery. At first and foremost for yourself.

That is your image, not mine. Aside, the film itself is brilliant. And steeped in metaphor for the avoidance of the very thing you're clearly desperate to hang on to.

Good luck with it and have a great day.

[Kvirion]

@zawisza LOL, so you are a fan of PiS - assessing by your lack of a sense of humor, naivety, and grumpy/pompous style? It's even worse...

BTW your assessment couldn't be more wrong, I voted for Razem.

[Kvirion]

@ThinPicking said in The ethics of having children while in sub-standard metabolic condition:

Good luck with it and have a great day.

Yep, good luck to you too, you will need it more than I do with your denial of reality... But nevertheless, enjoy the last days of our civilization!

[zawisza]

@Kvirion said in The ethics of having children while in sub-standard metabolic condition:

so you are a fan of PiS

@Kvirion said in The ethics of having children while in sub-standard metabolic condition:

I voted for Razem.

You are not helping yourself... It would be best if you would just stop speaking.

[ThinPicking]

@Kvirion said in The ethics of having children while in sub-standard metabolic condition:

your denial of reality...

Don't worry Kvirion. I'll be sure to watch Fallout and base my worldview and behaviour on a literal interpretation of it.

Edit for your added image. No doubt you're (currently) looking forward to that. Which probably explains a component of your original message I responded to. I recommend you escape that place as soon as possible.

[Kvirion]

@ThinPicking said in The ethics of having children while in sub-standard metabolic condition:

@Kvirion said in The ethics of having children while in sub-standard metabolic condition:

your denial of reality...

Don't worry Kvirion. I'll be sure to watch Fallout and base my worldview and behaviour on a literal interpretation of it.

LOL, so you base your knowledge of reality on computer games? Or maybe on hallucinations from marijuana... Nice phenomenology...

But you know, some prefer to base their epistemic knowledge on vanguard science, humanities, and arts...

[ThinPicking]

@zawisza said in The ethics of having children while in sub-standard metabolic condition:

You are not helping yourself... It would be best if you would just stop speaking.

Strongly agree.

[Kvirion]

@ThinPicking said in The ethics of having children while in sub-standard metabolic condition:

@zawisza said in The ethics of having children while in sub-standard metabolic condition:

You are not helping yourself... It would be best if you would just stop speaking.

Strongly agree.

OK, have a good life in your illusions

[DonkeyDude]

How exactly did my thread become full of developing country politics? And do I have it correct that @Kvirion, who has warned me against an impending doom of industrial civilization brags about voting for a far-left party? It's like an arsonist warning me about a risk of my house burning down; or more precisely, like a CDR activist cautioning about possibility of anti-Tutsi riots in Rwanda. Dude, you're not some wise sage who has predicted a supposedly inevitable collapse, you are the collapse.

[ThinPicking]

@DonkeyDude

It was a good set piece in context and you've topped it off perfectly sir.

[zawisza]

@DonkeyDude said in The ethics of having children while in sub-standard metabolic condition:

developing country

Excuse me but Poland is a 1st world developed country; it has Human Development Index in Top-40, higher than Portugal.

@DonkeyDude said in The ethics of having children while in sub-standard metabolic condition:

brags about voting for a far left party

Polish politics is such a joke that voting alone makes one worthy of ridicule, but that he voted for leftists makes me think he was trolling - I know that Peat had some fondness for commies but this is too much.

[ThinPicking]

@zawisza

For a Polish grandparent that could've pinched me. Then I remembered my own struggle to describe England a "developed" country. All things considered. And with a side of humour.

[Kvirion]

@DonkeyDude said in The ethics of having children while in sub-standard metabolic condition:

How exactly did my thread become full of developing country politics? And do I have it correct that @Kvirion, who has warned me against an impending doom of industrial civilization brags about voting for a far left party? Is like an arsonist warning me about a risk of my house burning down; or more precisely, like a CDR activist cautioning about possibility of anti-Tutsi riots in Rwanda. Dude, you're not some wise sage who has predicted a supposedly inevitable collapse, you are the collapse.

LOL, do you suggest that the key criterion for judging someone is who someone votes for? That in such a way you can clearly pigeonhole me?
Have you heard about multi-criteria choices, dialectics, and multi-perspectivism?

Or do you just "think" that one senator or president will save the world for you?

BTW @zawisza guessed well, I was joking about my vote because I don't respect superficial politics for the masses. No political party represents me well enough... They don't even get what was the original purpose of democracy invented in ancient Greece, etc. And most importantly politicians aren't (systemic) problem-solvers, they just chatter to pander to specific voters...

And yeah, I may agree that our political offtopic here was inappropriate, sorry for that.

BTW Polad was always a noble country in Europe with a great tradition, but unfortunately in a bad geographical place/space - and through history was mostly fucked by East or West (alternating)...

Back to the topic - have you heard about the four renowned schools of sense-making? Do you have any idea about in-depth ontology, epistemology, and phenomenology being used in advanced decision-making? Or rather you're making judgments based on your pretty limited scope of knowledge (or rather a scope of unconscious ignorance)?
BTW this reminds me of a quote:

Thinking is difficult, therefore let the herd pronounce judgment! — Carl Jung