@RawGoatMilk88 said in High metabolism feeling lethargic rather than energetic?:

I would avoid iron supplementation, just eat more meat.

Historically it was not enough for us (judging by ferriting level), although I would prefer otherwise. Availability of red meat also leaves something to be desired where we live.

@Razvan said in High metabolism feeling lethargic rather than energetic?:

I will suggest to try iron citrate not the normal prescriped iron sulfate. The citrate form protects against the formation of free radicals, it's easier absorbed and causes 0 to no intestinal distress.

What do you think about iron bisglycinate? We didn't experience much intestinal irritation from it.

@yerrag I might have chosen a wrong title. The more precise one would be "I have the indicators of a good metabolism, why am I lethargic?". I also did not know endotoxin can raise temps, although at least in my case the temps were tightly correlated with supplementation.

@T-3 thanks for expounding on your experiences. Your post gives me a lot of hope; I have been kind of wavering in my confidence recently and I fear my entire life will pass before I figure this out.

For now, I will supplement both vitamin D and iron and I will try NDT again when a blood test shows adequate stores. Thanks to everyone who has answered, I appreciate your help and insight.

@cs3000 said in High metabolism feeling lethargic rather than energetic?:

how long did you have temp fixed for was it 1 month +?

Nope, I got scared and quit it more than a week ago. My temps are still higher than baseline, and my HR is still around 85 (baseline is 60-70). In my wife the natural increase is more consistent, likely for longer than a month at this point.

u might need more salt in the PM to offset the adrenaline to get to sleep

Is this about the need for sodium or is there something unique about salt? I take a lot of sodium bicarbonate in the PM and it helps somewhat, but doesn't resolve the issue.

@GreekDemiGod said in High metabolism feeling lethargic rather than energetic?:

That can happen in people who take thyroid hormones, but still have unresolved health issues - digestion, liver, mold intoxication...etc.

Yes on the first, likely on the second, maybe on the third. It seems a chicken/egg problem though. Nothing I tried for gut issues did much; I hoped raising the metabolism might also fix my digestion and help my liver.

@wrl thanks, will definitely read. I try to cover as much nutritional deficiencies as possible. Maybe I should eat liver more consistently, unfortunately availability is rather spotty where I live.

@Razvan I tested my prolactin some months ago and it came back normal. However, if that was the case, would simply repleting the nutrients bring it to acceptable levels?

So recently I actually managed to get my temperature and heart rate to Peat recommended 98/98.6/85 while using NDT and it wasn't what I hoped it would be. I just felt uncomfortably hot and heavy. I still cannot sleep well (I hoped thyroid might solve my sleep issues) and I'm mostly tired and lethargic even though I'm not doing that much.

I also found that I cannot tolerate coffee any longer. I had this huge stress reaction to it: heart pounding, drenched in sweat, feeling like I had an oven inside me. That was a week and since then I have stopped NDT and I drink only weak tea.

Even more interestingly, over few last month my wife has achieved a similar metabolic improvement naturally, without using any exogenous hormones at all. Her waking temperatures (even during her period) are now over 98 and her resting HR hovers around 85. Yet instead of experiencing youthful high energy she's recently told me she now can feel just exactly how tired she is. She can also no longer tolerate coffee.

Is is possible our bodies simply cannot support such a high metabolic rate due to some deficiency? We are definitely deficient in vitamin D (mine is 24, hers 17, we now supplement 10k IU daily) and in iron (I know it's not Peaty, but I believe extremely low ferritin cannot be healthy). Is there something else that might be worth checking?

Or might it be the increased adrenaline sensitivity caused by thyroid hormone? Will the adrenaline levels drop in due time?

My wife thinks that after running on stress hormones for so long we might need more rest, to "pay the debt", so to speak. But how can I rest when I cannot sleep?

Has anybody experienced this? We have experienced many improvements from peating and it pains me to think we might have hit the upper limit and are bound to forever remain lethargic, dull, passive mules.

@LetTheRedeemed said in Peating in poverty:

Fun idea: small game are traditional food sources for virtually all hunter gatherer societies. Get a sling shot and hunt whatever birds / rabbits are around you. You can clean off the feathers and fur in no time with a scalding water plunge and dowse in wax to then peal off… cut out the stomach/intestines and bladder, then throw the whole thing in an oven with potatoes/milk/whatever you can find. lol this would be awesome!

I'd expect synanthropic animals to be quite high in PUFA. Where I live pigeons seem to get fatter, dumber and less capable of flight every year.

@DavidPS but in the quoted statement he has also said that

But if your thyroid is a little more active, the cholesterol will probably go down to 200 or 190.

So if my wife started using thyroid, wouldn't her cholesterol dip below 160? Also, 270 as an optimum level sounds pretty insane and incongruent with the aforementioned quote.

I think widespread use of hormonal birth control may prove to be a major confounder for this line of inquiry.