Boron supplements

DavidPS

BioEclectic

The late Ted from Bangkok counseled many to take Boron a few days a week, and to take short breaks from it regularly. Pretty sure most of his Boron info is still posted at the Earth Clinic forum.

Edit: here's some of Ted's info:
https://www.earthclinic.com/search.php?search=Boron&r=&ps=1&rfs=1&qa=1&ts=1

Here's an interesting post:
How Borax Can Help Alleviate Arthritis Symptoms and More
snip:
*Borax is a natural remedy that can effectively treat various types of arthritis and joint problems. It's a low-cost and straightforward solution that can help alleviate symptoms of osteoarthritis, rheumatoid arthritis, psoriatic arthritis, ankylosing spondylitis, and more.

Borax is a mineral compound used for medicinal purposes for centuries. It contains boron, which has anti-inflammatory and pain-relieving properties, making it an effective natural remedy for arthritis.*

Here's an old archived Health and Longevity newsletter article titled Boron for Better Bones

BioEclectic

Take the following with a grain of salt as commercial interests may be involved, or simply not properly researched for all i know ...

A supposedly more therapeutic form of Boron, Calcium Fructoborate, CaFB, just one of many sugar borates.

I've seen it relatively inexpensive in the past at Amazon by searching directly for Calcium Fructoborate or using a trademark name "Fruitex-B".

Edit:

Dr Hesslink (PDF):
The Fructoborates: part of a family of naturally ocurring sugar complexes, biochemistry, physiology, and impact on human health - review (definitely read the introduction page at the very least)

Index of Dr Hesslinks other Boron articles.
I guess calcium is not necessary for a fructoborate to exist, and that there are multiple types, then there are also glucoborates.

Edit: i know i can give @Amazoniac credit for some or most of these links. An interesting topic imo, will revisit.

b1

@BioEclectic
On Amazon I can only find Calcium magnesium with boron.
It may be because I'm not in USA.

BioEclectic

@b1 said in Boron supplements:

@BioEclectic
On Amazon I can only find Calcium magnesium with boron.
It may be because I'm not in USA

Meaning, you cannot find any form of Boron that doesn't include the additional minerals, or were you specifically searching for CaFB?

b1

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b1

@BioEclectic
When I look up calcium fructoborate and the branded one. I can find other boron supplements though.

Mauritio

Raisins are pretty good sources of boron averaging about 2mg/100mg. If you can find low PUFA ,sun dried ones. Should be good !

Raisins also have benefits on intestines, increasing transit speed and SCFA in the stool.
125g raisins/day decreased the transit time from 42h to 28h! That's a huge benefit.
I notice lessened constipation from raisins as well.

"Both sun-dried raisins and cream of tartar appear to be good stool softeners and to shorten intestinal transit time, although the fibre in sun-dried raisins has the added benefit of increasing faecal weight. Both sun-dried raisins and cream of tartar modulate the composition of faecal bile acids and SCFA in a way that has potential health benefits."

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/13129449/

Mauritio

Boron lowers PTH and cortisol, while increasing vitamin D and osteocalcin in this animal study.
Osteocalcin is anabolic and androgenic . Just do quick search on it , it has some interesting pro-metabolic properties.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32739828/

Mauritio

This is probably the best post on boron (by Travis) .
I agree with the hypothesis that arthritis might be of fungal origin and that borons main effect is anti-fungal. Not only that it also protects against fungal toxins like aflatoxin (https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0946672X23000032)
It's wild that Travis took gram -amounts of boron. It is inherently non toxic , apparently less toxic than salt.

https://lowtoxinforum.com/threads/nothing-boring-about-boron.22805/post-451585

Lejeboca

@Mauritio
Travis also spoke about boron as a 'natural fluoride's antidote' :

"This [catechol‐O‐methyltransferase] enzyme can be safely inhibited with epicatechin gallate, found in high concentrations in green tea. However, green tea also has fluoride; this fact would make me add fluoride's natural antidote—boron—to the tea."

-- https://lowtoxinforum.com/threads/caffeine-and-progression-of-parkinson-disease-a-deleterious-interaction-with-creatine.7841/post-301043

Lejeboca

@b1 said in Boron supplements:

I cant find any borax supplements unless you mean the cleaning / slime making stuff

Indeed, to second @noseleather borax 'for cleaning' is good stuff. (modulo 'slime making' probably .lol)

Anecdotally, I add Borax powder to wash my linens (and light-colored clothes). This is my only 'supplement' with Borax. Idealabs hair tests showed a good load of boron. This was my only change in boron consumption. (I used to and I do eat quite a bit of raisins too.)

05/2024 -- Hair                                   05/2023 -- Hair

Alomongerpete

How much borax should I put in to the water when bathing?

CrumblingCookie

I'm considering a persistent, covert, non-bloodborn fungal tissue colonization.

Unhelpful critics will scream that there's no such thing and that fungal infections are either superficial or systemic and life-threatening acutely critical with fungemia etc but I've grown intolerant to any such soft-pedalling obfuscation.

Clearly the bone-degradation dear Travis had written about is a chronic progression.

@Mauritio said:

This is probably the best post on boron (by Travis) .
I agree with the hypothesis that arthritis might be of fungal origin and that borons main effect is anti-fungal. Not only that it also protects against fungal toxins like aflatoxin (https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0946672X23000032)
It's wild that Travis took gram -amounts of boron. It is inherently non toxic , apparently less toxic than salt.

https://lowtoxinforum.com/threads/nothing-boring-about-boron.22805/post-451585

There are substantiating studies on periprosthetic Candida spp. infections but otherwise it's so wide a field, so overflooded with make-belief narratives and the search functions so poor that I cannot get hold of more tangible findings.
It's likely that fungal infections can persists below the surface in the enteric tissues and beyond in joints and other organs. And that, irrespective of the actual location, the latter can be harmed in a course of cross-reactive immune response as shown by many other pathogens.

I've therefore spiked last night's porridge with 2grams of borax with the intention of strong luminal distribution along the GI system.
And I've started with 5grams of borax per liter for my drinking water today. Of which I've already drunk two thirds. So I may prepare a second liter with the same ratio later on and use this exclusively.
If there's any notable improvement I shall throw in a course of itraconazole on top.

I had first dabbled with borax five long years ago. I had noticed that going beyond 20-30mg elemental boron per intake was and remained really uncomfortable. Giving strong headaches. Giving dull joint pains. Eventually, my use has faded because of such much else going on.
Had been on very intensive and extensive antibiotic regimens recently which also impacted (fingers crossed it stays) the recurring events of night sweats and arthralgia.
The borax hits me differently now. No particular headaches or joint reactions yet!

Mauritio

@CrumblingCookie I agree with you on subclinical fungal infections.
They're very hard to get rid of. I posted a study about fungi hiding in the gallbladder when attacked. Let that sink in.

CrumblingCookie

started with 5grams of borax per liter for my drinking water

I did that for about a week but the awful effects were too conflated with others stuff I concurrently did so I cannot distinguish the boron effects. Will need to carefully try again.
Anyway I had soon started itraconazole and then switched to fluconazole a week later, enhanced by first oral nystatin and then oral amphotericin B, with the ampho-b appearing to be much more effective than nystatin.
Best decision in years! Yet still far from the overall condition being resolved.

sunsunsun

@CrumblingCookie https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC3393430/

Mauritio

@CrumblingCookie said in Boron supplements:

Best decision in years! Yet still far from the overall condition being resolved.

That's a hardcore protocol.
What symptoms did you see improvement with ?

engineer

I have been taking 10mg boron for a couple months and I'm wondering if it's triggering aromatase due to low SHBG and high total T. Any thoughts on if this could actually be the case?