Whats worth knowing about structured water / magnetized water?

cs3000

Ray & others talked about water in cells being structurally different to typical liquid water , more gel like , viscous.
Apparently magnetizing water changes its structure (but doesn't make it more viscous?). it sounded woo-woo at first but there's animal studies showing effects like increasing bone density , increasing glutathione, improving exercise performance,

know anything to share about this?

and Ray mentioned this in mind & tissue

When more has been learned about magnetism, water, and the structure of protoplasm, so that long-range safety is assured, we can probably expect to see the
establishment of regular brain improvement resorts, using the combined effects of structured water, mountain air, electrons, and environmental magnetism.
It is possible that the optimum conditions already exist in some regions, and
account for the unique vigor of the inhabitants. The brain is so important in the aging process, magnetic stimulation might lengthen life by intensifying brain function, causing sounder sleep, and improving repair processes

Radiation does disrupt water structure, and stabilizing water structure protects against radiation damage (Webb).
Excited electronic states--e.g., singlet oxygen--are known to last longer in cell-water than in bulk water.
Solvated electrons also have a special stability in cell-water. It seems more reasonable to interpret the effect of irradiation on brain development as a melting of the water structure that supports the developmental gradient, than to suppose it is a gene effect

Magnetic fields presumably act biologically by
acting on the structure of water, and Kholodov has
established that a continuous sinusoidal magnetic field has a
sedative and inhibiting effect, modifying the EEG and
raising the level of GABA in the brain (Speranskiy, 1973).
The activity of oxygen increases in magnetically treated
water

Voprosy Kurortologii Fizioterapii i Lech. Fiz. Kult., No. 6, pp. 536-
540, 1972) reported that decimeter wave treatment
normalizes adrenal function and improves breathing in
asthma patients.
The structure of water appears to be the only aspect of the cell which is sensitive enough to account
for the observed effects

Szent-Gyorgyi has written a few books arguing that the properties of life
depend on the electronic or photoelectric properties of the protein-water gel. Fluorescence and resonance have been proposed as a possible basis for nerve function. The fact that water is ordered in cells, and appears to be arranged
longitudinally in nerves would seem appropriate if the gel
structure is involved in the longitudinal conductivity of
nerves. The observation that the gross conductivity of the
brain is decreased by exhaustion (Crile, p. 200) and that the
brain's electrical gradient is lower in fatigue led me to
consider an electronic approach to consciousness, which
relates the "Hopkins- Szent-Gyorgyi-Racker electron pool"
to the states of consciousness, as well as to mitosis.

Boris V. Deryaguin was demonstrating that even flat glass surfaces alter the behavior of water at a considerable distance from the glass. (It showed structural elasticity at distances under 900 Angstrom units.) After many years of experience in the study of water, Deryaguin discovered another important phenomenon: water could "remember" having been in the
frozen state for as long as a day after being melted (it had
different properties between vibrating glass plates).
Several years ago in an industrial process which
involved "floating" ore with magnets to refine it, the water
which had been magnetically treated was found to be more
capable than ordinary water of holding in solution the
minerals which are deposited as "scale" inside water tanks
and pipes. This led to many investigations of the properties
of magnetized water, and to reports that its density, surface
tension, and possibly its refractive index are higher than
ordinary water's

"the more complex water is, the more chances we
have to find a really adequate description of what an
organism is and why water behaves as it does in the living
material." The difference is whether we treat strangeness as
a threat, or as an opportunity.

If even pure water is capable of magnetic and
structural "memory," then the more complex, stable, and
variable structures composed of water and biological
materials would seem to be an ideal basis for the rich
storages of consciousness. Soviet nerve biologists are
investigating these subtle inner changes of nerve cells. In the
new science that is emerging, everything is taking on an
integral kind of meaning, and things become easier to
understand as they become more complex

many questions present themselves

What will treated water do to various organisms and tissues? Which organisms and tissues are most sensitive to magnetism? What does temperature do to the magnetic sensitivity of a tissue? Does an alternating field have a special effect? How did the earth's magnetic field affect evolution? Does the geological record of periodic changes
in the earth's magnetic field have something to do with the
sudden appearance of new phyla of plants and animals? Can
we be aware of changes in magnetic fields? Do animals
orient themselves by the magnetic field? Can magnetism be used in medicine? Some of these questions have been partly
answered, and others are just now starting to be investigated

It has been known since the end of the last century that a magnet will delay a nerves response to an electrical stimulus, as if its structure had been preserved momentarily. If we think of the magnetic field as
stabilizing the "head state," it occurs to us that the earth's
magnetic field must have been an important factor in
evolution, supporting or promoting "cephalization."

he also mentioned gerald pollack who's on youtube , researching the effects of light on structuring water in cells

cs3000

@cs3000
increased exercise performance by increasing liver glycogen storage https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8153701/

In an abstract, Chen et al. (2005) provided by gavage 0.5 mL of 0, 33.3% or 100% of a stabilized SW product to mice (n = 14 treatment and 14 controls) for 30 d.
Mice normally drink 4 to 6 mL/d, and a 25-g mouse has a maximum stomach volume of 0.5 mL. Before provided SW, and after 30 d, the mice performed a swim endurance test.
Compared to baseline and a control group that did not receive SW, mice that were given SW increased swim duration from 16 ± 8 to 24 ± 10 min (33.3% SW; P <0.05) and to 38 ± 30 min (100% SW). The authors correlated increased swim time with increased pre-exercise liver glycogen stores g/100 g; control: 41 ± 12 vs. 33.3 % SW: 65 ± 20 (P < 0.002 compared with control) and 100% SW: 67±16 (P < 0.0002 compared with control) in a separate group of mice treated the same way except for no exercise.
It was concluded that providing 3% to 10% of the daily water intake in the form of SW was able to increase liver glycogen content and increase swim duration.

they called it "clustered water" (patented product study tho) https://sponet.de/Record/4011042

(apparently the change in structure from using magnets only lasts an hour or so outside the body? but maybe some ways to extend this)

Physical chemists are well aware of water’s mysterious nature1 and the many different forms of water clusters2 due to hydrogen bonding.3 Very little about water clusters in bulk phase (i.e. water not at the surface or edges of another material) is understood.4 In fact, it is considered to be one of the unsolved problems in chemistry.5 These clusters have been experimentally detected6-8 or predicted from theoretical computational models in bulk liquid water.9-11 [https://molecularhydrogeninstitute.org/microclustering-the-making-of-a-myth-part-1-facts-claims-and-history/]

evan.hinkle

Just from personal experience, I soak my feet at night in structured water. Before doing this I had all the hallmarks of hypothyroidism in my skin, (dry, cracked, peeling). I now have perfect skin on my feet, (and the structured water also seems to positively affect the rest of my skin as well, (simply by soaking my feet).

It also reduces end of the day fatigue, and typically allows me to make my evenings more active, (finish projects instead of watching tv, clean up, etc). Having now experienced T3, I’d say the effects are similar.

cs3000

@evan-hinkle interesting, what are you using to structure it?

"the flow of electrons is the basic thing that structures water. when i talk about energy and structure, im thinking about primarily first of all the fine layers of water adjoining protein and fat in cells, and thats created and maintained by the flow of electrons mostly from glucose to oxygen through the various catalysts.
and when thats interrupted, when oxygen isnt able to keep pulling the electrons and this flow of electrons that generates the structure just like if you stir a pot of spaghetti all the strings line up in certain direction , that sort of thing is what happens microscopically the energy flow generates structure and that has all of the consequences of ... a german researcher named Andre Sommer has been doing extremely interesting researching showing red light itself organizes the structure of water , "

evan.hinkle

@cs3000 I use a few different methods, (a red light device, a Somavedic, and a Natural Action Technologies funnel). Primarily I use the Natural Action Technologies funnel. I also have a whole home water structuring unit attached to my water line, (that’s from Greenfield Water).

Each of these methods gives a great end result on the water.

@evan-hinkle I'm looking at the greenfield water structuring units for my house and garden hose (to water my livestock). Did you have any concern about the silicone balls in the units? I'm still learning about water structuring, but generally avoid silicone.

evan.hinkle

@Sippy I haven’t had any issues with my two units personally. I don’t know what to really believe as far as the science goes, but my experience with the structured water is really unbelievable. According to the “science” even casing the structuring device in lousy plastic would not matter, because the vortexing of the water enhances the energy field of the water, (strengthening Pollak’s exclusion zone) keeping the water intact within its cellular boundaries, and excluding all else from within the water.

The most impressive reason why I’m inclined to believe this is my small kiddie pool. As we know kids drag dirt and grass into their wading pools all the time. In 24, but certainly 72 hours a kiddie pool becomes a disgusting stew of mud and decomposed grass. I fill the pool with structured water and I can keep the water pristine for three days, (of course I use a skimmer to remove floating - but fully intact - blades of grass). If I fill the pool with structured water and keep a water structuring unit in the pool, I can easily keep the water in the pool for a week, (and ultimately I drain it not because it’s dirty, but because I can’t believe it could still be clean, and yet, it is). The grasses do not deteriorate in the water, they simply float. Any dirt remains intact and simply sinks to the bottom of the pool, it does not muddy the water.

@evan-hinkle thanks for your reply. I want to get a system for my tiny one room cabin that has one sink and a bathtub and another for an outdoor hydrant/ hose to draw buckets of water for my livestock. I'm looking at Greenfield and Natural Action Technologies. Would you recommend one over the other?

jamezb46

I think that one of the benefits of the bioenergetic perspective is that there are certain unifying principles that explain why certain substances or effects are beneficial and others are not. Among those principles is that whatever can afford the cell increased stability is of benefit to it. Thus, saturated fats, gelatin, niacinamide, etc. can be thought to be of benefit partly because they simply make the cell more lipophilic and less hydrophilic.

So, when it comes to liquid vs structured water, it should be clear that the structured water is the more beneficial, because it increases the stability of the cell.

You can even do this experiment at home: Dissolve a tablespoon or so of collagen protein and niacinamide in a few oz of water and compare that to water without anything extra dissolved in it. The one with the protein and niacinamide will be much more gel-like than the other.

evan.hinkle

@Sippy oh man, what a question. They are both fantastic really. What I did was get a smaller device from both companies before pulling the trigger. Ultimately I went with Greenfield because the charcoal medium lasts 10 years with their regeneration material, (added annually) and I was able to get a system that would cover both my house and my orchard, (16 fruit trees, not to mention potatoes, corn, and cucumbers) at a better price.

Both are great companies whose products I have used with great success. If you have any specific questions about your needs I’ve had good interactions with both companies. Perhaps you should reach out?

yerrag

@cs3000

The presence of structured water is so important to keeping our cells stable and working well. This is evident in structured water providing a barrier in the boundary layers that separates the cell from the extracellular environment. This layer is what conventional medicine considers the cell membrane.

An example of structured water at work is in the presence of a gel like layer that lines the intima of our capillaries, where our red blood cells flow and delivers to our organs nutrients. Structured water makes this layer possible, which in turn makes it much easier for blood to flow through the very narrow lumen in capillaries, where the red blood cells practically have to squeeze through to deliver nutrients to cell, tissues, and organs, and to transports wastes out of these cells.

How much gel-like this layer is depends on how we keep the body as a whole functioning well with us providing it with good conditions and nutrients and free as much from toxins and infections.

@evan-hinkle I called Greenfield and the woman I spoke with was actually very unhelpful. Basically didn't want to get into any recommendations for my specific situation since they are no longer doing whole house systems for well water. I'm going to try to call again on Monday and hopefully get someone else.

Can I ask what your whole house system consists of and if you are on well water? Do you filter it as well as structure it? I haven't had my well tested in a few years, but it has always tested pretty clean in the past. The woman from Greenfield was recommending their 5 stage filter and couldn't tell me the difference between that one and the 4 stage filter. I live in a tiny one room cabin with less than 50 ft of copper pipe that sits on the wall and goes to one tub and one sink. I'm trying to figure out the simplest and cheapest way to filter and structure it all. I mostly want to filter Iron and potentially excess manganese and sediment.

evan.hinkle

@Sippy so they no longer make the whole home filter I have, (discontinued the particular model, but I can still get all the stuff I need to maintain it). I have a four stage, with an additional charcoal filter, and after it’s run through the various stages it has a structuring unit. Typically I let the water run for about 10-15 seconds if I want particularly structured water, (since the unit is in my garage and has to travel through pipes). I am on city water, (so that might have played a factor in the availability of my model).

I can’t imagine you’d need much more than a pretty standard system from them, (especially since you don’t have any flouride or chlorine to filter out. Hope you have better luck when you next touch base. Do you have a reliable plumber, or will you be installing the unit yourself?

metabolicmilk

@evan-hinkle

What natural action product do you use? And also do you prefer the somavedic or the natural action?

metabolicmilk

@evan-hinkle

And which products do you recommended for people who travel often and would like to structure their drinking water?

evan.hinkle

@metabolicmilk I use the standard funnel from natural action technologies. I just pass water through it 6-10 times. I’ve experimented with 20-100 times and I couldn’t tell much difference after 10.

I like the somavedic too, but I probably prefer the funnel for everyday purposes. It’s also great for travel.

@evan-hinkle I have a friend that does plumbing that will be helping me install it. I still haven't been able to get anyone else from Greenfield on the phone. Does your filter have stainless housing? I see some in the replacement filters. Have you ever heard of this company? https://www.alivewater.com/vortex-water-revitalizer-product-description What do you think of their design?

Update: I just spoke to Mikael at Alive Water and he was very nice and helpful. I think I'm going to try one of his units. I like the simplicity of the design and that it seems like a one man show. Here is his other website that is organized a bit differently https://www.alivewater.ca/

evan.hinkle

@Sippy seems decent as a structuring device, (though I don’t have any experience with them). It’s not a water filter though, so it’s going to be much cheaper, (and if you’re on well water that tests well maybe you don’t need something like that anyway? I’m on city water, so it’s a must).

wrl

One thing to bear in mind is that water can be considered a liquid crystal capable of holding memory.

Other sources of structured aka alive/living/coherent water:

coconut water
watermelon (watery fruits)
cucumber (watery veg)
birch sap water
water exposed to sunlight (- key being the information held within said sunlight being imprinted onto the water)

Here is an excellent insight into the nature of water:

https://stolenhistory.net/threads/walter-russells-periodic-chart-of-the-elements.6167/#post-115310

Plus a practical demonstration of transforming plain water into an oil like substance (the guy invites anyone to visit him and videotape the process)

https://rumble.com/vhodfb-full-unedited-version-of-oil-from-water..html

All videos from this guy:

https://rumble.com/user/MerLynnOZ

This experiment is based in a renewed understanding of the nature of what elements are, all explained with pictures at the beginning of the thread:

https://stolenhistory.net/threads/walter-russells-periodic-chart-of-the-elements.6167

@ThinPicking @yerrag
You might find the perspectives shared in this link interesting! The site itself is full of interesting stuff.