Bioenergetics – Interview With Kate Deering
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Kate Deering, author of “How to Heal Your Metabolism (2015),” has been involved in the health and fitness industry for more than three decades. This is her recent interview with Dr. Mercola.
“All things are poison and nothing is without poison; only the dose makes a thing not a poison.” - Paracelsus (c. 1493–1541)
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She has an insight on the use of progesterone that I don't believe Ray ever talked about. It's that when the body isn't energetic enough metabolically, using progesterone could stress the system instead of help the system.
Temporal thinking is the faculty that’s
engaged by an enriched environment, but it’s
wrong to call it “thinking,” because it’s simply
the way organisms exist... - Ray Peat Nov 2017 Newsletter -
@yerrag my wife has been working with Danny Roddy, and he literally just said the same thing the other day.
I really believe many of the bioenergetic substances don’t work without proper thyroid function.
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@yerrag Except you need have evidence that progesterone "could" stress the system before making such statements. Which even in the most unenergetic body, there is no evidence that it would produce stress.
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I agree. If progesterone activates certain processes that result in more energy consumption, it would cause an increased demand for energy, and this increased demand would have to be met by increased use of thyroid to meet the demand. If thyroid were not abundant and would be depleted, supplementing thyroid (and pregnenolone) would be very helpful.
But it's not just thyroid, as thyroid is just one limiting factor, as when a higher energy level is the goal, the entire system must have sufficient stores so no bottleneck exists to keep the organism from reaching a higher plane of energy.
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We have Kate Feeding saying this because she comes across many pstients whose different bionergetic states account for the variation in their response to the intake of progesterone. And this clinical insight gives her enough evidence.
Your being so tied up to evidence-based scientism is pitiful.
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@yerrag A very reasonable takeaway if you were to read Ray's ideas talking against the Rate of Living Theory, would be to meet the demands of your metabolism.
But no, even in abundance progesterone shouldn't stress the system. When your metabolism increases and you get hungry, you should probably eat. -
Eating would be an answer, but what if the food cannot be converted to energy as easily because there is a bottleneck in the chain of events keeping the food from being converted to energy?
You still know very little, but you need to read more of Ray Pest:s writings to connect the dots. How much time have you spent reading and connecting the dots? It's a slow process, and one that can't be rushed.
Temporal thinking is the faculty that’s
engaged by an enriched environment, but it’s
wrong to call it “thinking,” because it’s simply
the way organisms exist... - Ray Peat Nov 2017 Newsletter -
@yerrag Don't need your "you have much to learn young padawan" redditism. Seems odd of you to accuse me not having read what he's written if you didn't recall him talking about the rate of living theory.
What if the food cannot be converted to energy as easily because there is a bottleneck
Progesterone and B vitamins fixes that bottleneck.
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Go your own way. It's tour journey, not mine.
Temporal thinking is the faculty that’s
engaged by an enriched environment, but it’s
wrong to call it “thinking,” because it’s simply
the way organisms exist... - Ray Peat Nov 2017 Newsletter -
@yerrag It's not clinical. The fact of the matter is that before you go making statements that progesterone stresses the body you need to have some concrete evidence. People saying that they feel worse while taking progesterone is not concrete evidence. If people take estrogen, and say they feel great. That doesn't take away from the fact that your increasing your chances of getting cancer and other health problems in the future.
Kate doesn't even come close to the experience that Ray Peat had. Even when she interviewed Peat years ago, she asked Peat about women feeling worse on progesterone. Stating that her "understanding" was that Progesterone releases estrogen from the tissues. Peat mentioned that it is released in a detoxed form (water soluble released by the kidneys) and not harmful. She also stated that Progesterone increases cortisol and Peat again corrected her, stating that progesterone can replace the adrenal hormones even if the adrenal glands are removed.
The fact that she keeps making these statements on podcast like Mercola even after Peat corrected her assumptions is really concerning. I really don't think she should be giving and health advice to anyone. Either she is not very perceptive, or she has malicious intent. Same Roddy, Georgi or anyone else making assumptions with no evidence.
Mercola has stated that he wants to make a progesterone product. So basically, she's giving him information that could undercut Peat's progesterone product.
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Tell me, if you are such a stickler for evidence, what constitutes evidence for you? Do you need a trial to be made by the FDA, in the way that they asked for evidence for Ivermectin?
Or do you need 10 people in this forum saying so?
You give examples of Ray correcting Kate, yet because you say so that Ray corrected Kate on the matter of progesterone, without yourself giving us an actual example, but you just say so, and even saying he corrected her many times, stretching your point, isn't even enough evidence. Without proof, you give the appearance you know what you're talking about.
The reason this world is so fucked up is because there are so many know nothings like you is because you depend on experts to give you evidence while evidence is not necessarily the first thing to look for.
The first thing is to establish ground for why you believe such is such. Then you a hypothesis. It becomes a theory. Then becomes a law as more evidence is gathered to bolster that hypothesis.
But evidence is not always necessary, as people have worked off theories.
Why do people use TCM, herbs, and aromatherapy despite the FDA or some meddling agency came to act as judge and jury for evidence?
You are a programmed scientism evidence-based zealot raised to depend on titles and degrees to establish credibility, with no iota of training in logic and reason. But the greatest healers in history have not depended solely on the "scientific method' to heal people.
Tell me, what does progesterone do, and why is it safe for anyone to use? Do you know what a hormone does? If it's so safe as you would say it is, why don't you try to OD on it?
You simply have no idea, do you? You don't even understand the way the body works. It is not an entity that runs off magical bullets that the medical industry tends to rely on to alleviate symptoms without fixing the root cause of a problem. Yet you are such a fool for thinking of progesterone as one such substance.
Without the kind of thinking that the body runs in a complex web of interrelationships that would be called cycles. If you are on a virtuous cycle, you are in good balance and health. But when you are in a vicious cycle, you are in poor health, and will likely stay so unless you break that cycle. But this has no meaning for a dolt like you.
Now off you go in your search for an Elysium device to entertain your medical fantasies!
