Peating has done nothing but make most symptoms worse intensity wise
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Aspirin, sugar, strong b vitamin doses, don't really seem to help me that much if at all
My attempt at reintroducing dairy was a horrible failure that made everything the worst it's been in a while, mainly due to the fact that I didn't get "good" milk according to the ray peat forum (not ray peat)
Anxiety, awful hair, shortness of breath, bad sleep, etc. all been worsened as well as panic attacks coming back that I haven't had in a long time
Has anyone with real health issues and not lip filler try peating and have success for what I'm talking about?
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@xand The short answer for me is I had low stomach acid and my liver and gallbladder were blocked, so without being able to digest anything properly, I'd have panic from the adrenaline spikes. Mainly, I've used at-one-time massive amounts of salt 98-12g a day), generic alka-seltzer, T3, anti-parasitics, antibiotics, and then supplements and food started to have positive effect. At one point my pulse was in the 20s regularly and body temperature 95F or so.
For my wife, she started with liberally salting her food, generic alka-seltzer (lone aspirin did not agree with her) and in her case, cutting back caffeine. She couldn't sleep through the night before making these changes. As her appetite improved from getting the adrenaline down, I gave her small amounts of thyroid and much later progesterone.
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@NotShanalotte Hey thank you for sharing, I'm sorry to hear the issues you have and happy to hear you found some resolution
However, I should add, I have never had body temp issues like the forum
My pulse is actually almost always high, which peaters would think is good, however all my symptoms have worsened since.
Of course, you can say this is because of adrenaline, which I'm sure someone who has no idea what they are talking about will, but I don't have any other symptoms and have great body temp. Literally almost always 98+ -
@xand When I was younger my temps were always high as well, but I had similar issues of hair problems, breathing issues, sleep destroyed, and so on. It can be hard to say the best place to start. OTOH my brother-in-law is greying, balding, and has similar issues but still has good temperature, though he refuses to get any testing done.
Perhaps in your case, a small amount of vitamin E could be prudent since it deals directly with PUFA that you already have, and will deal with fatty acid oxidation which can strongly interfere the body's ability to use sugar. Would be a starting point, if nothing else.
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@NotShanalotte Okay, I'll do vitamin E more often
I had a green + orange peel tea with glycine, taurine, and b vitamins alongside vitamin E but I didn't feel anything
I think I'm also gonna get objective nutrients thiamax, 4 types of b1, if anyone knows or has anything on that
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@xand It'll be a cumulative effect, and it can be subtle. It can even be the cascade of what vitamin E does more than immediate effect.
I didn't notice an effect from thiamince hcl until I bought a brand that was USP purity, but I don't recall the brand. I hope thiamax works for you, I didn't tolerate the thiamine derivatives.
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@NotShanalotte Didn't tolerate them how? Damn nothing is so simple huh lol
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@xand That's what I said to myself! I would feel dizzy and dreadful, like a sudden drop in blood pressure. No such effect even with ample amounts of the USP hcl. Now that my health is much better, I do wonder how I'd react.
The main difference of the synthetic thiamines is that they are hydrophobic, resulting in easier intestinal uptake, and they break down into usable thiamine in the bloodstream. Their hydrophobic nature should mean easier for uptake for the brain. The issue I ran into during my browsing research papers was two-fold: either small amounts of hcl used, or huge injections, both skewing the data towards the typically-patented synthetic versions due to minimal effect or large side effects. Still, can't hurt to try it even if some of the data is fuzzy.
Less is more due to the increased uptake into the bloodstream and a smaller dose to start is probably prudent and go up after a week or two.
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Knowing your own history is a good start. When you started doing all the things you mentioned, were you able to put together what you can remember in the past that led you to the state you are in?
Growing up in a western context, what comes natural to you and what appears to be right becomes everyone else does it, may just leave you with a lot of baggage that upon really learning bionenergetic principles, you may realize you have a lot these excess baggage to shed.
But it looks to me you know very little of bioenergetics, as it took me years of reading Peat's articles and newsletters, without even so much as finishing reading one of his four books, to grasp a sliver of it. But I'm not being fair as I started in a better state than you, and I had learned a part of it without ever hearing of Peat. When I came in, I had long figured out how to make my blood sugar stable, even as it really wasn't the kind of stable that I'm currently in. To get there, I went cold turkey on PUFA- banned them at home, mostly at home cooked meals, avoided as much eating out, and I forgot about time. It was after I started reading Peat, that I revisited this experiment of mine- by testing it. Since I didn't track time, ,I figure I must have been going cold turkey on PUFAs 5 years in then, and so it was ripe for me to test if my blood sugar control had further improved.
First test was to take a teaspoon of white sugar on an empty stomach- 3 hours after lunch- to see if I would have an adrenalin reaction, where I would feel a blood sugar low, then a cough, then a runny nose, then a sore throat, with me waking up the next day with a fever. I didn't. This meant I no longer have the blood sugar instability that would have me cope by eating brown rice.
Next I stopped eating brown rice and went back to eating white rice. True enough, Ray was right. Simple sugar are not as bad as the health community would paint it. Next, I began to drink Coke. And life was good, after all. this was heaven- having your cake, and eating it too.
Lastly, I skipped lunch. And felt fine. Then I skipped breakfast and lunch. Felt just as fine. Then went fasting for a whole day. And I felt just as good.
That's when I knew I totally fixed my blood sugar problem. But fixing my blood sugar problem was just a sign, of a change in me that went deeper. It is a proxy for having a good, no- a great sugar metabolism. This is perhaps the holy grail of bioenergetics. This is like the base camp for my ascent into the peak of Mt. Everest.
My story shows how simple fixing oneself can be if one can start with some good preparation and planning, and have a process in place to go about solving a problem.
A very simple solution may be in store, but that can just be sidetracked or ignored by the noise inside you, aggravated further by outside noise, that makes you take desperate moves and Hail Marys in the form of the cornucopia of substances being talked about in the forum.I hope I don't discourage you by my story. My story does not fit you to a tee, for sure, but I'm telling you that you can do it. Don't act out of desperation and a lack of knowledge. No one here will give you the complete answer and in a silver platter. Even if you pay him to do it for you.
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@yerrag Thanks for that. I guess all I can really attribute things to are food sensitivities such as grains and similar foods, as well as cow dairy. I am going to cold turkey cut out any and all PUFAs starting tomorrow, thanks for motivation
@NotShanalotte I decided to go with a non methylated B complex and some allithiamine. I'll see how it goes long term, thanks for sharing your experiences -
Godspeed with it!
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@xand Sounds good!
"Bear...Seek...Seek...Lest."
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@yerrag Thanks for sharing. So basically restricting PUFAs for 5 years fixed your blood sugar and ability to last longer in-between meals? How strict were you with PUFA avoidance?
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I can say that PUFA was the major change that had the most impact on me. I was very strict on it, considering as poison actually.
But years prior to PUFA restriction, I had all my mercury amalgams replaced and after that underwent IV chelation to rid my body of mercury toxicity. What this did was to improve my tissue oxygenation, so I won't be hypoxic and relying on anaerobic glycolysis for energy production. I was making a lot if lactic acid instead of CO2.
