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Glucose loading cures everything?

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    Peatful
    last edited by Jun 29, 2024, 11:45 AM

    Just visited the RPF

    So bizarre

    The questions in this thread have again mostly been discussed by Ray
    If not directly
    Meaning not told exactly “how to do it”
    This is where we are to perceive think act

    From my personal experience
    And I healed from extremely poor health to now the greatest health I’ve ever had
    Sugar was absolutely foundational
    A foundation is what we build upon

    But
    Im here to say
    As I said over there

    Stress hormones desensitize the insulin receptor
    From birth to now, most of us have had some sort of stress that is shaped our experience of our health
    With chronic stress comes many things all of which desensitizes the insulin receptor

    When you reintroduce sugar your body is essentially already in an insulin resistant state
    The stress hormones flooding your system overtime have desensitized the insulin receptor so insulin cannot drive glucose into the cell anymore….

    I point this out because the more I used this wonderful “nutrient”
    The more I was able to handle it and really reap the benefits of using it not only in relatively large quantities- my ability to utilize it as a therapeutic tool only got better and better
    But the beginning was rough
    Really rough
    Due to my stressed metabolic state

    Anyway
    Just stunned that Ray isn’t understood nor acknowledged on his own forum
    I grieve that shit

    Please listen to him here
    He addresses a lot iirc

    A prophet
    A genius
    And a friend

    Youtube Video

    One act of obedience is better than one hundred sermons.

    -DB

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      bot-mod @Peatful
      last edited by Jun 29, 2024, 11:53 AM

      I was in awe having a scroll of it this morning. Their power struggles and appeals to spertise occasionally gets a bit shakespearian. Someone could probably write an entertaining novel about RPF.

      Aside from that Ms Peatful. I know the feelings. Beside and probably not distinct from the science.

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        bot-mod @yerrag
        last edited by Jun 29, 2024, 12:11 PM

        All a bit strange hey Mr Yerrag. I find myself affirm to your observation.

        Meanwhile, I get the feeling there's something in this. I'll have to read around quite a lot, enjoy surrounding conversation and sleep well I guess. All I can do right now is speculate. That the fructose is unwelcome to him for myocardial reasons and the glucose still benefits for structural and therefore metabolic reasons. Probably not without personal consequence. But at least it begs some questions.

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          S.Holmes @Peatful
          last edited by Jun 29, 2024, 1:37 PM

          @Peatful Could you expound on "rough"? I had a very strange burning pain from my neck to the bottom of my ribs yesterday (right side). I put an aspirin under my tongue and took a homeopathic remedy to treat stroke, just in case. It lasted about 15 minutes and then I was fine.

          If not for Dr.Peat I wouldn't have given the sucrose protocol a second look. I think he saved my life, but I still have lingering issues, and weight gain which is difficult because I was very thin my entire life. So I'm willing to try anything to feel better. I've been on Nathan Hatch's protocol for a few months, and it was helpful but still didn't quite get me "there." (I still use some of the things he suggests.)

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            S.Holmes @yerrag
            last edited by Jun 29, 2024, 1:45 PM

            @yerrag Right, I was referring to fuel being obtained from protein or fat. Simple sugars are absorbed in the stomach, not the intestines. That's what I meant by bypassing the digestive process.

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              evan.hinkle @Insomniac
              last edited by Jun 29, 2024, 1:54 PM

              @Insomniac but here’s the kicker, my blood glucose levels are lower. Where I was spiking to 150 after a meal I’m now spiking to 125. Every time I check my blood glucose it’s 20-30 points lower than my typical readings without dextrose.

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                Peatful @S.Holmes
                last edited by Jun 29, 2024, 1:58 PM

                @S-Holmes said in Glucose loading cures everything?:

                @Peatful Could you expound on "rough"? I had a very strange burning pain from my neck to the bottom of my ribs yesterday (right side). I put an aspirin under my tongue and took a homeopathic remedy to treat stroke, just in case. It lasted about 15 minutes and then I was fine.

                If not for Dr.Peat I wouldn't have given the sucrose protocol a second look. I think he saved my life, but I still have lingering issues, and weight gain which is difficult because I was very thin my entire life. So I'm willing to try anything to feel better. I've been on Nathan Hatch's protocol for a few months, and it was helpful but still didn't quite get me "there." (I still use some of the things he suggests.)

                Yes
                I had odd symptoms
                Troubling ones
                But transient

                I had significant weight gain
                But
                That was not about the sugar or the foods
                The weight gain reflected the damage already done in my body

                It was so much fluid
                And
                As said above
                With any history of restriction or stress
                You will start with your cells unable to get the sugar in
                But it gets better
                Your body has to relearn

                Maybe this will help give you an idea?

                Im around today
                Jyst need to run now

                Thx

                https://raypeatforum.com/community/threads/reintroducing-peaty-eating-after-very-low-carb-low-calorie.50945/

                One act of obedience is better than one hundred sermons.

                -DB

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                  S.Holmes @yerrag
                  last edited by Jun 29, 2024, 2:01 PM

                  @yerrag Well, the doctor admits that some of the protocol is based on theory...such as how quickly and preferentially the glucose appears to make it's way to the brain, within a couple of minutes! I believe that was the theory he said he would need spinal tap volunteers for. Who would sign up for that??? Theories, in my opinion, should be put to the test. He has been testing it out for a while now, with amazing successes. I'm just doing my part.

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                    S.Holmes @evan.hinkle
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                      S.Holmes @evan.hinkle
                      last edited by Jun 29, 2024, 2:02 PM

                      @evan-hinkle said in Glucose loading cures everything?:

                      @Insomniac but here’s the kicker, my blood glucose levels are lower. Where I was spiking to 150 after a meal I’m now spiking to 125. Every time I check my blood glucose it’s 20-30 points lower than my typical readings without dextrose.

                      THIS!!!

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                        bot-mod @evan.hinkle
                        last edited by Jun 29, 2024, 2:04 PM

                        I'd ask for your urinary volumes throughout the day but I'm not going to push my luck. Or be that weird.

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                          S.Holmes @Peatful
                          last edited by Jun 29, 2024, 2:06 PM

                          @Peatful Yes, very helpful, thank you.

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                            Insomniac @evan.hinkle
                            last edited by Insomniac Jun 29, 2024, 2:35 PM Jun 29, 2024, 2:29 PM

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                              evan.hinkle @Insomniac
                              last edited by Jun 29, 2024, 2:52 PM

                              @Insomniac the protocol is to increase dextrose until symptoms abate and then stay there for a period of a few months. I’m not against trying a one time dose of that nature, but I’m working on a giant treehouse today so I won’t be able to try til later in the evening.

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                                evan.hinkle @bot-mod
                                last edited by Jun 29, 2024, 2:53 PM

                                @ThinPicking I haven’t tracked, but I’ll say this, I don’t urinate very frequently because I don’t drink a ton of fluids. Maybe three times a day, not particularly dark, nor clear. What’s the theory you’re thinking here?

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                                  Insomniac @evan.hinkle
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                                    bot-mod @evan.hinkle
                                    last edited by Jun 29, 2024, 3:03 PM

                                    The volume, specific gravity and/or TDS would tell you a lot. But at the same time, your sensation of your own wellbeing is paramount here. If you're feeling good, let that be.

                                    I like these kinds of dollar metrics for the buck accessibility. Refractometer, TDS meters, stethoscopes, sensitive scales, bioimpedance meters, HRV, BP, this kind of thing. No million buck labs filled with nerdoids.

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                                      S.Holmes @evan.hinkle
                                      last edited by Jun 29, 2024, 3:04 PM

                                      @evan-hinkle Can you share a photo here when it's finished?? Lol

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                                        S.Holmes @S.Holmes
                                        last edited by Jun 29, 2024, 3:06 PM

                                        @S-Holmes said in Glucose loading cures everything?:

                                        @evan-hinkle Can you share a photo here when it's finished?? Lol

                                        ...of the treehouse, I mean. Lol

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                                          evan.hinkle @S.Holmes
                                          last edited by Jun 29, 2024, 3:07 PM

                                          @S-Holmes hahahahaha, it actually took me a minute to realize that’s what you meant…

                                          I just tried, but I don’t know how to post a picture. I clicked on the icon for the picture, but all I got was some pre-fab html.

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