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    Ben. @jjk_learning
    last edited by Jul 9, 2024, 2:29 PM

    @jjk_learning

    I think we realy just need to wait a few months because by then most who embarked on this can/will report a proper idea of what this whole thing is and wether the promises work or not and wether this is realy harmful. Should i not have diabetes by the 6 month mark then i will never let anyone induce fear of sugar to me again. People also need to understand this is a treatment over a certain time not a lifestyle.

    So far for me the positives:

    • energy feeling (brain) is high most of the time which is so much lifequality
    • no brainfog
    • chronic anxiety feeling is alot lower than what is usually baseline
    • sensitivity in all regards is way lower and things feel way less troublesome/problematic in general
    • a sense of hope/wellbeing that things can and will change for the better
      -maybe tmi but libido and erection quality is realy great atm

    the negatives:
    -occasional tiredness or nausea, usually very shortlived (lasting a few mins after ingestion ,seems dose dependend)

    the not sure what to make of it or if related:

    • getting realy hangry 2-3 times a week
    • my hair is thinning more than usual the past days
    • body hair growing more
    • nails growing faster
    • digestion is a little worse now instead of better as it was initially on the protocol
    • sleeping less due to having to much energy at bed time but sleep itself is still good (have to set a time when to lie down )
    • either a little weight gain or more water retention around the midsection

    the dissapointing thus far:

    • no reduction in percieved ailments (tinnitus, chronic inflammation, sense of selfworth etc.) yet
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      jjk_learning @Ben.
      last edited by Jul 9, 2024, 2:51 PM

      @Ben Thank you for the comprehensive response. And I do agree, time will tell for this. And like you mention, it is good to keep in mind that even in Stephens' protocol, it is a temporary (6-month) treatment, not a new lifestyle.

      Here's to continued energy and life quality and hopefully reduced negatives.

      Very interesting that your hair up top is thinning more but your body hair and nails are growing more.

      I hope your ailments do resolve!

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        happyhanneke
        last edited by Jul 9, 2024, 11:45 PM

        I'm doing this for 8 days now. Still on the 24 gram 4X a day.

        I'm getting nervous though because I definitely am gaining weight (or getting bloated).
        Very frustrating.

        Cannot say that I feel anything else that's different. I don't feel worse either.

        Not sure what to make of it. I get fat from everything, dhea, progest-e, pregnenolone.

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          Regina @evan.hinkle
          last edited by Jul 10, 2024, 1:08 AM

          @evan-hinkle Boom!

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            Jaffe @happyhanneke
            last edited by Jul 10, 2024, 4:26 AM

            @happyhanneke said in Glucose loading cures everything?:

            I'm doing this for 8 days now. Still on the 24 gram 4X a day.

            I'm getting nervous though because I definitely am gaining weight (or getting bloated).
            Very frustrating.

            Cannot say that I feel anything else that's different. I don't feel worse either.

            Not sure what to make of it. I get fat from everything, dhea, progest-e, pregnenolone.

            For bloat. Try minimizing the amount of water you mix it with as low as possible. I found 70-80ml enough to fully dissolve but low enough to minimize the bloat I used to get with a whole glass of water. Dr. Stephens says his patients that use glucose tablets don’t experience the bloating issue that dextrose powder users do.

            As for weight gain, this protocol still follows the general rules of high carb dieting. Gotta drop the fat intake and/or increase activity if you find yourself gaining unwanted fat.

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              S.Holmes @happyhanneke
              last edited by S.Holmes Jul 10, 2024, 2:43 PM Jul 10, 2024, 2:39 PM

              @happyhanneke If the brain requires 160 grams of glucose daily in a body AT REST (as Dr Stephens has said), it seems the weight gain from far less than that amount means we haven't yet convinced the brain that the body isn't starving. I'm on a lot more glucose than 25 grams 4 times a day and I did initially see more "weight" in the midsection, but I'm fairly certain it was swelling (water). Now, 3 weeks in, that has improved and I don't seem to be gaining extra pounds, but I'm also trying to cut back on other sugars and carbs.

              As far as cognitive improvements go, my brain IS functioning better. My husband's moods have dramatically improved. We are having pains and eruptions quickly coming and going, which as a homeopath, is always a good sign.

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                happyhanneke @S.Holmes
                last edited by Jul 10, 2024, 3:26 PM

                @S-Holmes said in Glucose loading cures everything?:
                Thank you. I'm just feeling it in my clothes. I don't weigh myself since it's a huge trigger and can ruin my whole day. It's also 100+F right now so that might be part of it too.
                I have cut back on other things but since I am learning to eat normal for the past 6-7 months and not always dieting or cutting back, I don't want to overdo it. I have gained a lot of belly fat so it's just something that is hard to simply accept as part of the process. My first thought is always to diet. Quieting those thoughts is hard but I'm working on it.

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                  S.Holmes @happyhanneke
                  last edited by Jul 10, 2024, 3:43 PM

                  @happyhanneke Healing is difficult in a time when people are obsessed with being thin. (Renaissance, where are you when we need you!) I was always very thin, until menopause, and now, although not in XX sizes, I could afford to shed some pounds.

                  Hopefully the glucose will help us with our insecurities, allowing us to just focus on healing, and then we can deal with the extra weight when we feel better.

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                    S.Holmes @S.Holmes
                    last edited by Jul 11, 2024, 12:40 PM

                    Dr. Stephens' website.
                    https://restoredhumanity.com/s/why.php

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                      gentlepotato @S.Holmes
                      last edited by Jul 15, 2024, 12:07 PM

                      Hi everyone!

                      I've read through the thread and appreciate everyone's shares and thoughts. It's been helpful as I started navigating this myself.

                      I started exploring glucose loading a couple of weeks ago. Last week I also started checking my blood glucose, to see what is going on. I purchased a two week continuous monitor this morning, so when that arrives I'll get even more data. Is anyone else tracking BG levels?

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                        jjk_learning @gentlepotato
                        last edited by Jul 15, 2024, 12:27 PM

                        @gentlepotato I am not tracking glucose levels, but I will be very curious to see what yours are. I've seen anecdotal reports (I think it was on RPF) that people's BG levels are dropping back down to normal relatively quickly after doses, and that some people have brought their average BG levels down using this protocol, but I think it would be very interesting to see it in actual CGM data.
                        Per Stephens, the idea is that this should significantly improve your ability to handle glucose and insulin sensitivity, but that is kind of an unverified claim at this point.
                        CGM data will be interesting.

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                          gentlepotato @jjk_learning
                          last edited by gentlepotato Jul 15, 2024, 12:52 PM Jul 15, 2024, 12:51 PM

                          @jjk_learning My issue may be different than other people's. I have ME/CFS, and without going into to great of detail, an issues in ME/CFS is that one of the pathways for breaking down glucose isn't working. Hypoglycemia is common. The glucose loading theory makes perfect sense for me, and I may be one of those people who need a very large dose.

                          My levels are hardly spiking and I'm back to fasting levels (or even reactive hypoglycemia) two hours after a meal and/or glucose.

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                            jjk_learning @gentlepotato
                            last edited by Jul 15, 2024, 12:56 PM

                            @gentlepotato That is very interesting. Is it the case that your levels hardly spike back on regular carbs too? Or is it only on this glucose protocol that the levels quickly go back to fasting levels or reactive hypo?

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                              Peatful
                              last edited by Jul 15, 2024, 1:46 PM

                              Testing isn’t bad per say
                              But being unable to interpret what is happening accurately is the problem

                              As I stated above:

                              Glucose metabolism is a vital process for cellular respiration.
                              In mitochondrial respiration, glucose is converted into adenosine triphosphate,
                              the cell's energy currency, through a process that takes place in the mitochondria's membranes

                              If that cell is in a stressed state
                              Say
                              ME, CFS, malnourishment etc
                              While healing
                              The results you see may startle you

                              Im not recommending that you don’t test or that you push through
                              I healed fully (through food sugars- not supplemental sugars)
                              But
                              You must understand your physiology and use other markers as well

                              Yes
                              My sugar handling was awry
                              But
                              So many other signs and symptoms were vanishing

                              I am fully healed now

                              One act of obedience is better than one hundred sermons.

                              -DB

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                                jjk_learning @Peatful
                                last edited by Jul 15, 2024, 2:17 PM

                                @Peatful Your perspective makes sense. And I agree that it may be hard to interpret. But I think it would be good to have the data anyway just to try to put puzzle pieces together.

                                What condition(s) did you fully heal and what was your approach (I know you say food sugars but I'm curious on the details)? Have you shared your story anywhere?

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                                  Peatful @jjk_learning
                                  last edited by Jul 15, 2024, 3:04 PM

                                  @jjk_learning said in Glucose loading cures everything?:

                                  @Peatful Your perspective makes sense. And I agree that it may be hard to interpret. But I think it would be good to have the data anyway just to try to put puzzle pieces together.

                                  What condition(s) did you fully heal and what was your approach (I know you say food sugars but I'm curious on the details)? Have you shared your story anywhere?

                                  Ive shared it too much probably!

                                  With that
                                  It’s all on the old RPF

                                  Same user name
                                  But my username there is hidden because I’ve been banned but my posts are still up

                                  I healed from over 50 symptoms
                                  Bad ones like hallucinations, infertility, daily migraines, etc

                                  My food sugars were primarily white sugar
                                  Coke, icings, cheesecake, puddings, etc

                                  Mind you
                                  I needed overall nutrition
                                  I was malnourished and in an extreme stressed state
                                  But sugar I fully embraced
                                  Easy to digest and very healing for me

                                  Again
                                  On the old rpf you can see me recommend people to add these healing foods in judiciously

                                  One act of obedience is better than one hundred sermons.

                                  -DB

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                                    jjk_learning @Peatful
                                    last edited by Jul 15, 2024, 3:56 PM

                                    @Peatful

                                    Congratulations on your healing! And do you have a specific thread that captures your journey well? I found lots of posts from you on RPF (including one in a "Successful Peaters" thread), but haven't found the full story. I can pick up from context and what you've already shared that it your approach is very "Peaty"

                                    (Searching for you also led me to a thread about Matt Stone which I found very interesting... I didn't know what he was up to these days)

                                    Would it be fair for me to guess, with your experience, that you would be more favorable towards white table sugar than dextrose? What's your view on this whole glucose-loading idea?

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                                      Peatful @jjk_learning
                                      last edited by Jul 15, 2024, 4:51 PM

                                      @jjk_learning said in Glucose loading cures everything?:

                                      @Peatful

                                      Congratulations on your healing! And do you have a specific thread that captures your journey well? I found lots of posts from you on RPF (including one in a "Successful Peaters" thread), but haven't found the full story. I can pick up from context and what you've already shared that it your approach is very "Peaty"

                                      (Searching for you also led me to a thread about Matt Stone which I found very interesting... I didn't know what he was up to these days)

                                      Would it be fair for me to guess, with your experience, that you would be more favorable towards white table sugar than dextrose? What's your view on this whole glucose-loading idea?

                                      Hey, this is voice recognition
                                      I had to leave work to meet an HVAC guy at the house

                                      It is 88° in our house and we had to send our kids elsewhere last night to spend the night as my husband and I toughed it out

                                      So this guy is my priority, but I will not forget to go back to the forum and try to link relevant content here

                                      Do I agree with glucose loading?
                                      Absolutely
                                      Ray talked about this from a liver and thyroid point of view vs brain health

                                      In the clip I have of him previously
                                      he recommends a pound of sugar over three days
                                      White sugar iirc

                                      Do I agree with a supplemental dextrose loading?
                                      I don’t disagree but I would never go that route

                                      Let food be thy medicine and medicine be there food….

                                      One act of obedience is better than one hundred sermons.

                                      -DB

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                                        S.Holmes @Peatful
                                        last edited by Jul 15, 2024, 5:54 PM

                                        I'm almost 3 weeks in on the glucose therapy. My body talks to me. It always has, and usually not in a nice way. I've been retracing every chronic symptom I've ever experienced, some I haven't had for decades. My energy level has improved so for someone with CFS which I've had for decades, this is a good sign I think. The science says I will be well following retracing. Time will tell!

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                                          jjk_learning @S.Holmes
                                          last edited by Jul 15, 2024, 6:12 PM

                                          @S-Holmes While I am sure it is not always fun retracing chronic symptoms, I am glad you are feeling optimistic. And it is great to hear about your energy level. Good on you for listening to your body, and I hope the symptoms mean it is headed on a journey toward healing. As you say, time will tell. Thanks for the update, and continued good luck!

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