Your top daily supplement? If you had to pick just 1
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@Mossy Ive never tried tyromax or any form of NDT. I only have experience with synthetic but it worked well for me so I see no reqson to change
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@Sugarnotsnow said in Your top daily supplement? If you had to pick just 1:
@Mossy Ive never tried tyromax or any form of NDT. I only have experience with synthetic but it worked well for me so I see no reqson to change
It's hard to argue with success. I can't blame you for not changing. Per a previous comment from Jennifer, the ratio for T4:T3, is 2:1 for Tyromix, and 4:1 for Tyromax. When I have the courage I'll try each. I just don't feel like dealing with the tachycardia, which seems inevitable for me — until I get the dose right.
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"The true step of health and improvement is slow." — Novalis -
@Mossy Yea i think the 2:1 ratio is more in tune with Ray's recommendations as well. Especially for hypothyroid people utillizing a high ratio of t4 is difficult
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@Mossy said in Your top daily supplement? If you had to pick just 1:
@Sugarnotsnow said in Your top daily supplement? If you had to pick just 1:
@Mossy said in Your top daily supplement? If you had to pick just 1:
@Sugarnotsnow said in Your top daily supplement? If you had to pick just 1:
@Jennifer Agree with Jennifer on this one. Thyroid was so essential in my journey to metabolic health. Thyroid and vitamin D are the two supplements i continue to take.
You and Jennifer both have had success with thyroid. I've read so many comments of how challenging it is to get it right. If time allows, do you mind if I ask which brand you take and how you take it, and what improvements you see on it? Many take it intending to wean off of it once health has improved. Is that your goal as well, or do you intent to continue with it long-term? Of all the Peatisms, thyroid is the one thing I have not tried yet due to a majority of bad experiences others have had. Maybe your story could prove otherwise.
I take haidut's thyroid "tyromix." When taking it I would not take more than 2 drops at once. more than 9mcg t3 in one sitting will cause a stress reaction. So i take it one drop at a time spread out throughout the day. I take it with meals. For example 6 mcg t4 3 mcg t3 with breakfast, lunch, and dinner. Then two doses before bed. I total 5 drops throughout the day. When I first started I was needing up to 12 drops a day to maintain high temps. I have slowly weaned off but I dont plan to come off entirely.
Thank you for the detail. It's interesting that you take Tyromix and @Jennifer prefers Tyromax. Maybe I will have to try both.
I prefered TyroMix initially but after a while, it stopped working for me. Ray said that thyroid hormone is unstable in alcohol so I initially thought maybe it had lost its potency over time. All I know for sure is, my T4 never came back below range until supplementing with TyroMix and when I switched back to TyroMax, my T4 came right back in range and my hypo symptoms vanished. With that said, Armour works better for me than TyroMax—I need half the amount.
@Mossy said in Your top daily supplement? If you had to pick just 1:
@Jennifer said in Your top daily supplement? If you had to pick just 1:
@Mossy, here’s a link to the lichen-based D3:
https://greenpeach.com/products/liquid-vitamin-d3-400iu
Or if you prefer to order it through Amazon:
https://www.amazon.com/Liquid-Vegan-Organic-Vitamin-1600/dp/B0D8QCQVPG/ref=sr_1_4_sspa
I appreciate that. Thank you.
My pleasure.
In my recovery, I’m a soldier at war, I have broken down walls
I defined, I designed, my recovery
In the sound of the sea, in the oceans of me
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@Jennifer Do you have any experience with cynomel? Im thinking of transitioning from tyromix to cynomel. The alcohol stability thing is interesting. Probably another reason he didnt reccomend liquid thyroid.
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@Sugarnotsnow, unfortunately, I don’t. If this helps any, Ray recommended Cynoplus in one of our email exchanges, and whenever I come across him recommending thyroid, more often than not it’s Cynoplus. I’m almost sure he said it was good to have some T4 before bed.
In my recovery, I’m a soldier at war, I have broken down walls
I defined, I designed, my recovery
In the sound of the sea, in the oceans of me
I defined, I designed, my recovery ~ James Arthur -
@Jennifer Okay thank you! My plan was to have cynomel (t3) throughout the day than cynoplus(t4 + t3) before bed.
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@Sugarnotsnow, I think that’s an excellent plan.
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@Jennifer said in Your top daily supplement? If you had to pick just 1:
@Mossy said in Your top daily supplement? If you had to pick just 1:
@Sugarnotsnow said in Your top daily supplement? If you had to pick just 1:
@Mossy said in Your top daily supplement? If you had to pick just 1:
@Sugarnotsnow said in Your top daily supplement? If you had to pick just 1:
@Jennifer Agree with Jennifer on this one. Thyroid was so essential in my journey to metabolic health. Thyroid and vitamin D are the two supplements i continue to take.
You and Jennifer both have had success with thyroid. I've read so many comments of how challenging it is to get it right. If time allows, do you mind if I ask which brand you take and how you take it, and what improvements you see on it? Many take it intending to wean off of it once health has improved. Is that your goal as well, or do you intent to continue with it long-term? Of all the Peatisms, thyroid is the one thing I have not tried yet due to a majority of bad experiences others have had. Maybe your story could prove otherwise.
I take haidut's thyroid "tyromix." When taking it I would not take more than 2 drops at once. more than 9mcg t3 in one sitting will cause a stress reaction. So i take it one drop at a time spread out throughout the day. I take it with meals. For example 6 mcg t4 3 mcg t3 with breakfast, lunch, and dinner. Then two doses before bed. I total 5 drops throughout the day. When I first started I was needing up to 12 drops a day to maintain high temps. I have slowly weaned off but I dont plan to come off entirely.
Thank you for the detail. It's interesting that you take Tyromix and @Jennifer prefers Tyromax. Maybe I will have to try both.
I prefered TyroMix initially but after a while, it stopped working for me. Ray said that thyroid hormone is unstable in alcohol so I initially thought maybe it had lost its potency over time. All I know for sure is, my T4 never came back below range until supplementing with TyroMix and when I switched back to TyroMax, my T4 came right back in range and my hypo symptoms vanished. With that said, Armour works better for me than TyroMax—I need half the amount.
Ok, now that is interesting, that you only need 1/2 as much with Armour. I do like the idea of supporting Haidut, but cost wise Armour is looking attractive. Do you mind sharing if you're self treating with the thyroid or do you have a doctor and a prescription? I ask in an effort to learn how confident you and others are buying from the Mexican pharmacies online, which I assume is how people get thyroid without prescription. I understand if you don't want to share some things.
"To desire action is to desire limitation" — G. K. Chesterton
"The true step of health and improvement is slow." — Novalis -
@Mossy, I have a doctor treating my thyroid but if she refused to, I would feel confident ordering from a Mexican pharmacy. I feel my best when my TSH is <0.1, but doctors always pull me off my med when it gets that low and I’m expecting my current doctor to do the same. I’ve spoken with her about it and she’s willing to treat my symptoms, but only to a point. If my TSH gets below range, she’ll most likely reduce my dose so I’ll have to supplement the Armour with TyroMax and stop taking the latter a month before I get new labs.
In my recovery, I’m a soldier at war, I have broken down walls
I defined, I designed, my recovery
In the sound of the sea, in the oceans of me
I defined, I designed, my recovery ~ James Arthur -
@Jennifer said in Your top daily supplement? If you had to pick just 1:
@Mossy, I have a doctor treating my thyroid but if she refused to, I would feel confident ordering from a Mexican pharmacy. I feel my best when my TSH is <0.1, but doctors always pull me off my med when it gets that low and I’m expecting my current doctor to do the same. I’ve spoken with her about it and she’s willing to treat my symptoms, but only to a point. If my TSH gets below range, she’ll most likely reduce my dose so I’ll have to supplement the Armour with TyroMax and stop taking the latter a month before I get new labs.
Ok, good to know. You've reminded me that Labs would still be good to have when self-treating, so if/when I start thyroid I will have to order those myself. I may start vitamin D3 first, then go to thyroid based on how that makes me feel, with pro-thyroid being the goal.
"To desire action is to desire limitation" — G. K. Chesterton
"The true step of health and improvement is slow." — Novalis -
@Mossy Yes labs are always good to know but they aernt the best indicator of thyroid health. I usually get 1-2 a year. Checking your temperature and pulse could be a better measurement.
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Caffeine
I also feel good from glycine. But don't take too many pills and powders. Eat hearty wholesome food in larger quantities rather than experimenting with supplements.
Many of the bioenergetic supplements contraindicate with one another if you take them at the same time. For example, you shouldn't take Vitamin E with things like CoQ10 or Vitamin K. And you should know everything that calcium renders less effective if taken together and vice versa. It then becomes further trouble remembering which things to take on empty stomach, which in mornings/evenings and which x times per day, etc. And most are making these judgements with but a self-diagnosis of deficiency and then there are concerns of excipients and impurities in products, and so forth. Best to stick to real food over supplements.
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@jwayne Do you take caffeine as an isolated supplement or do you mean coffee?
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@Serotoninskeptic I have done both.
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@Mossy said in Your top daily supplement? If you had to pick just 1:
@Jennifer said in Your top daily supplement? If you had to pick just 1:
@Mossy, I have a doctor treating my thyroid but if she refused to, I would feel confident ordering from a Mexican pharmacy. I feel my best when my TSH is <0.1, but doctors always pull me off my med when it gets that low and I’m expecting my current doctor to do the same. I’ve spoken with her about it and she’s willing to treat my symptoms, but only to a point. If my TSH gets below range, she’ll most likely reduce my dose so I’ll have to supplement the Armour with TyroMax and stop taking the latter a month before I get new labs.
Ok, good to know. You've reminded me that Labs would still be good to have when self-treating, so if/when I start thyroid I will have to order those myself. I may start vitamin D3 first, then go to thyroid based on how that makes me feel, with pro-thyroid being the goal.
Yes, I find labs are important to keep track of my cholesterol level—Ray told me if it’s too low, thyroid can trigger stress hormones—but temp, pulse, achilles tendon reflex, urine output and symptoms have been better diagnostics for my thyroid function than blood values. With that said, my doctor won’t prescribe me medication without a thyroid panel, and I feel my best when my TSH is suppressed. I think that’s a good idea to start with D3. I do wish I had trusted my intuition and got on thyroid before exhausting every other thyroid optimizing avenue, but there was a learning curve even with NDT and for some people, D3 and diet are enough to turn the hypothyroid tide.
In my recovery, I’m a soldier at war, I have broken down walls
I defined, I designed, my recovery
In the sound of the sea, in the oceans of me
I defined, I designed, my recovery ~ James Arthur -
@Jennifer said in Your top daily supplement? If you had to pick just 1:
@Mossy said in Your top daily supplement? If you had to pick just 1:
@Jennifer said in Your top daily supplement? If you had to pick just 1:
@Mossy, I have a doctor treating my thyroid but if she refused to, I would feel confident ordering from a Mexican pharmacy. I feel my best when my TSH is <0.1, but doctors always pull me off my med when it gets that low and I’m expecting my current doctor to do the same. I’ve spoken with her about it and she’s willing to treat my symptoms, but only to a point. If my TSH gets below range, she’ll most likely reduce my dose so I’ll have to supplement the Armour with TyroMax and stop taking the latter a month before I get new labs.
Ok, good to know. You've reminded me that Labs would still be good to have when self-treating, so if/when I start thyroid I will have to order those myself. I may start vitamin D3 first, then go to thyroid based on how that makes me feel, with pro-thyroid being the goal.
Yes, I find labs are important to keep track of my cholesterol level—Ray told me if it’s too low, thyroid can trigger stress hormones—but temp, pulse, achilles tendon reflex, urine output and symptoms have been better diagnostics for my thyroid function than blood values. With that said, my doctor won’t prescribe me medication without a thyroid panel, and I feel my best when my TSH is suppressed. I think that’s a good idea to start with D3. I do wish I had trusted my intuition and got on thyroid before exhausting every other thyroid optimizing avenue, but there was a learning curve even with NDT and for some people, D3 and diet are enough to turn the hypothyroid tide.
I appreciate your thoroughness and additional information. The fact that Ray said those markers are even better than blood values gives me quite a bit of confidence to go with those, at least for starters. I realize I won't know my cholesterol without a blood test, but if a stress response is triggered that would be obvious. I do remember you mentioning that you did feel best with a low TSH, "...as low as .008", so I have no problem attempting the same. Ok, so it sounds like you felt you wasted time and energy when you should've just gone to thyroid. If I wasn't so sensitive to supplements I probably would do that. I took 10,000 IU of D3 the night before last, with calcium acetate (calcium carbonate in vinegar) an hour prior to it (in an attempt to mitigate negative effects from the D3) and it has me a little wired, which turns into wired and tired at times, but not as bad as I can be on most supplements. Depending on how I feel by tomorrow, I will either continue with this current D3 (not certain about the calcium), possibly try the lichen-derived D3 (though the potency, being considerably less, wouldn't allow me to use 10,000 IU doses cost-effectively), or jump in with the thyroid—but it's that learning curve you and everyone else speaks of that I will have to be ready to deal with. It sounds like thyroid is better for you than D3, but that maybe thyroid is more involved and creates more of a dependency. Or am I misinterpreting?
"To desire action is to desire limitation" — G. K. Chesterton
"The true step of health and improvement is slow." — Novalis -
@Serotoninskeptic said in Your top daily supplement? If you had to pick just 1:
@Mossy Yes labs are always good to know but they aernt the best indicator of thyroid health. I usually get 1-2 a year. Checking your temperature and pulse could be a better measurement.
Ok, that seconds what Jennifer was saying. Then I won't spend the money on labs at first.
"To desire action is to desire limitation" — G. K. Chesterton
"The true step of health and improvement is slow." — Novalis -
@Mossy Yes, if your temp and pulse are suboptimal and you feel other symptoms, than i would get labs to try and figure out the underlying cause
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