Your top daily supplement? If you had to pick just 1
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@Mossy said in Your top daily supplement? If you had to pick just 1:
@LucH said in Your top daily supplement? If you had to pick just 1:
@Mossy said in Your top daily supplement? If you had to pick just 1:
There is no time frame recommended on that post for K2 to be taken before the D3. I was taking calcium acetate an hour before the D3. Do you have any thoughts on that before time frame?
well, I use logics:
1° you've understood why K2 has to be taken before A D3 K1 and K2 supplement, since K2 activates the dependent lipoproteins.
2. We need fats to assimilate lipoproteins. 35 g is required for vit K. Assimilation is proportional to the amount of fat.
So the time required is given by the digestive process. Roughly said 3 hours for fats but it could take more time if you get digestive problems, like a lack of enzymes or a lack of acidity to digest proteins.
3° Conclusion:Most of the time, I take K2 at breakfast.
When there is no cheese or ham (e.g.) I add 6-8 macadamia nuts. Not enough but it's OK.
At midday, I take Vit D3 5.000 UI.
Note: Once a week I begin with retinol 10 000 UI at breakfast, and K2 at midday, and D3 at supper. I should have begun with K2.
When I use tocopherols (2x/wk) I take a softgel (400 UI mixed toco) with a snack (low level of fat needed) if there is a problem.
Note: to be perfect: I should take K2 MK4 twice a day (half-life of type MK4 is shorter than MK7).
Mind with the type MK7: very fragile (oxidation). 3 months delay if not well encapsulated and protected with e.g. rosmarinusThank you LucH, for all the detail. I do only take K2 MK4, MK7 gives me heart issues. Wow, that is quite a bit of fat — 35 grams. I do remember Haidut recommending at least 14g of fat with fat soluble vitamins.
I see you don't mention taking calcium. Is that the case, that you don't supplement calcium along with A, D, and K2?
You can try to compensate for the lower absorption with a higher dose or through repetition. It's fine to waste some of it because it's what happens when vitamin K is obtained from plants. You'll be taking it in purified form, not having to deal with the food matrix. In this case, little fat is enough to make a difference.
Effect of dietary fat content on oral bioavailability of menatetrenone in humans
Note how the response to vitamin K with the lowest amount of fat in the meal was far from null and close to that with the average amount.
You may also stimulate bile discharge or supplement it:
To rely on topical supplementation is an option as well.
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@Amazoniac said in Your top daily supplement? If you had to pick just 1:
@Mossy said in Your top daily supplement? If you had to pick just 1:
@LucH said in Your top daily supplement? If you had to pick just 1:
@Mossy said in Your top daily supplement? If you had to pick just 1:
There is no time frame recommended on that post for K2 to be taken before the D3. I was taking calcium acetate an hour before the D3. Do you have any thoughts on that before time frame?
well, I use logics:
1° you've understood why K2 has to be taken before A D3 K1 and K2 supplement, since K2 activates the dependent lipoproteins.
2. We need fats to assimilate lipoproteins. 35 g is required for vit K. Assimilation is proportional to the amount of fat.
So the time required is given by the digestive process. Roughly said 3 hours for fats but it could take more time if you get digestive problems, like a lack of enzymes or a lack of acidity to digest proteins.
3° Conclusion:Most of the time, I take K2 at breakfast.
When there is no cheese or ham (e.g.) I add 6-8 macadamia nuts. Not enough but it's OK.
At midday, I take Vit D3 5.000 UI.
Note: Once a week I begin with retinol 10 000 UI at breakfast, and K2 at midday, and D3 at supper. I should have begun with K2.
When I use tocopherols (2x/wk) I take a softgel (400 UI mixed toco) with a snack (low level of fat needed) if there is a problem.
Note: to be perfect: I should take K2 MK4 twice a day (half-life of type MK4 is shorter than MK7).
Mind with the type MK7: very fragile (oxidation). 3 months delay if not well encapsulated and protected with e.g. rosmarinusThank you LucH, for all the detail. I do only take K2 MK4, MK7 gives me heart issues. Wow, that is quite a bit of fat — 35 grams. I do remember Haidut recommending at least 14g of fat with fat soluble vitamins.
I see you don't mention taking calcium. Is that the case, that you don't supplement calcium along with A, D, and K2?
You can try to compensate for the lower absorption with a higher dose or through repetition. It's fine to waste some of it because it's what happens when vitamin K is obtained from plants. You'll be taking it in purified form, not having to deal with the food matrix. In this case, little fat is enough to make a difference.
Effect of dietary fat content on oral bioavailability of menatetrenone in humans
Note how the response to vitamin K with the lowest amount of fat in the meal was far from null and close to that with the average amount.
You may also stimulate bile discharge or supplement it:
To rely on topical supplementation is an option as well.
Hello Amazoniac, and thank you. Glad to see you've found yourself a Ray Peat forum again, after banishment by The Lion.
This is interesting, though, that the larger fat intake definitely potentiates the K2, or so the chart shows.
And your last comment is helpful, as I was wondering if the fat content would be unnecessary with topical application. Maybe even with topical it could be argued that consuming fat would help. Just a thought.
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@SpaceManJim Depends when you ask. Right now it’s NDT.
