Liver/ gallbladder flush experiences?
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Please share your experience with liver/ gallbladder flushes for improving digestion, vitality, liver health..
I'm thinking of experimenting with them. -
@GreekDemiGod I did one about 10 years ago, baes on the late Andreas Moritz book on it. Disappointed but happy nonetheless, I had no visible excretions of any gallstones.
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@GreekDemiGod said in Liver/ gallbladder flush experiences?:
e share your experience with liver/ gallbladder flushes
What you see is not crystal but oil balls.
- protect liver: curcumine and weak level of toxins (xanthines, rice from some countries, chocolate, etc.)
- try to stay in a fasting mode from 8 o'clock p.m. till 10 o' clock a.m. Only eat 2 fruits for breakfast till midday.
- eat useful nutrients for gallbladder to get quality bile + citrate to avoid oxalic stones.
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@LucH said in Liver/ gallbladder flush experiences?:
- eat useful nutrients for gallbladder to get quality bile + citrate to avoid oxalic stones.
In your opinion, which nutrients?
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@Onza said in Liver/ gallbladder flush experiences?:
In your opinion, which nutrients?
Shortly said: choline (from taurine & glycine from foodstuff)
In details:
Useful nutrients for quality bile- Minimum dietary protein: 0.8 gr /kg weight (functional membranes) (1)
- The quantity and quality of dietary lipid influence bile secretion: a few omega-3 from white fish and enhanced omega-3 eggs from free high grazing chickens (2x/wk for each kind).
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Dietary phospholipids are Nr one (eggs) when trying to influence bile secretion.
Or phospholipids coming from soybean lecithin if you can manage this kind of food (intolerance).
- Little is known over other interaction with dietary carbohydrates, fibers, minerals and vitamins on cholesterol and BA metabolism. But a restriction diet is not adviced. To advice a fast on several days is counterproductive since it’s going to heighten stagnation of the flux (thicker).
BA = Bile acids.
*) How to streamline bile naturally?
It is advisable to work the digestive system to maintain a good fluidity of the viscous liquid. Consequently, following a low diet for several days requires a period of rehabilitation at the end of the "fast". Rosemary stimulates and decongestion the liver. It is often taken in combination with dandelion and artichoke. It promotes the production of bile. (20) Lemon juice also stimulates bile production and regenerates the purifying functions of the liver. 1 to 2 drops of HE from rosemary verbenone, on a base (1/2 sugar, 1 tsp yogurt / cream or 1 tsp of coconut oil) before breakfast. Or in a cream / oil to be applied to the liver region. In cure of 2 to 3 weeks. We need choline and inositol to make bile (250 mg). (20)
*) Taurine and glycine to form choline (21)
Bile acids are produced in the liver by oxidation of cholesterol. They are combined with taurine or glycine, or with a sulfate or a glucuronide, and are then stored in the gallbladder.
Sources and references
0. Bile & SIBO
Optimiser la bile & fluidifier le transit en cas de SIBO
https://mirzoune-ciboulette.forumactif.org/t2005-impact-de-la-bile-sur-le-microbiote-et-le-transit#29365- Nutrients needed to prevent cholestasis
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/0271531796001042
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@LucH said in Liver/ gallbladder flush experiences?:
What you see is not crystal but oil balls.
I've been reading about this a bit.
What do you think is the explanation for which: as someone does more flushes, the number of stones/ oil "balls" reduces? It it were just oil balls, wouldn't the number of them be relatively consistent, given the same amount of olive oil ingested on the flush day? -
@GreekDemiGod said in Liver/ gallbladder flush experiences?:
as someone does more flushes, the number of stones/ oil "balls" reduces?
Silly, if you consider the balls are mainly oil residues. Not only. Thus, partly true but not objective.
With a « cure » with olive oil, the amount of fat is so high that it enhances a flushy / contractile move because it’s laxative. In theory, very tiny crystals are going to be enrolled by bile and mostly by oily balls (amalgam). However, it’s a lottery: 2 or 3 tiny crystals could make a thicker sharp one. And if you encounter a narrow vessel / tunnel, especially near the liver or farther in the tubules of the kidneys, you are going to suffer a lot, calling for emergency 9.1.1
I’m not joking.
Use the soft way to dissolve the crystal stones. Be proactive (citrates) add fibers when eating meat, don’t take high supplement in calcium (higher than 200 – 250 mg Ca element). Target your oxalates supplement (cronometer.com) (spinach), combine A D3 K2 if required (according to your health state / locality = sun wavelength) to optimize healthy bones. -
So I did the flush last night. 6 days of preparation, drinking 1l of freshly squeezed apple juice, then on the 6th day (yesterday), I did an enema, followed by the regular epsom salt + water drinks. I stopped eating at noon yesterday until this morning.
Before bad, I had the 120ml olive oil + 180ml lemon juice.The epsom salt and the olive oil mix were nasty to drink. I didn't have nausea, didn't vomit, but it did make me gag a bit. Definitely not pleasant. Also felt weak from not eating almost all day.
Last night, after drinking the epsom salt + water, I was sitting on my desk, I started having all kinds of sensations in my abdomen and upper body. I started getting mild pain/ discomfort in my back, middle back and lower back (kidneys ?). At one time, I could feel my spine literally hurting for about 10 minutes.
The back pain is interesting. I've never had kidney problems, I'm not aware of ever having them. But it seems like the flush can be hard on the kidneys. Or perhaps, it was due to dehydration. Not sure.This morning, had the urge to have a (liquid) bowel movements, and sure enough. I saw a few dozens of those green "stones". Some were quite large, up to 1.5 cm in diameter.
It remains to be seen if I will feel better after the flush. I remain skeptical because reading on the FB groups, people don't just do a flush every now and then, they do them through the years, and claim they have to keep doing it. That doesn't seem right to me. Once every few weeks/ months should be more than enough.
