I have hit rock bottom please help.
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@lulueatsmeat I didn’t have any effect from that caffeine, didn’t even feel it. I think the amount of caffeine in coca-cola is very small compared to the amount in coffee, also thyroid hormone improves metabolism of caffeine by increasing the metabolic rate, helps you get more of the good effects of caffeine and eliminating the bad ones. Your experience with coffee/honey further supports the hypothesis that it’s a liver glycogen issue. The T3 should fix the liver glycogen issue and that should be that. I’m extremely hopeful that it will work! FWIW I just remembered that for insomnia Peat talked about 10mcg
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@vocedilegno Yes and accutane also impairs liver function! It all makes sense honestly haha. I am going on trip next week for 6 days but I will try it out after and will post an update! Thank you lots!!!
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@lulueatsmeat best of luck, enjoy the trip!
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@lulueatsmeat you are absolutely not alone
I would first like to recommend Kate Deering to you, if you don’t know of her already. She wrote ‘how to heal your metabolism’ and has so much useful info on her instagram & blog.
I ordered Cytomel and started slowly, breaking it into 4s & taking 1 4th with breakfast for 2 weeks. Then increased by a 4th every 2weeks. I take magnesium with it, which I recommend. I’m on 1.5 tablets now.
I was also eating lots of bone broth soup at the time because I was healing my gut.
My skin started clearing after two weeks and I had normal bowl movements again around then too. My sleep improved dramatically after about a month. I sleep so easily and deeply.
I did get blood tests to check reverse T3 & free T3 which both said I was hypo. So I went straight ahead with getting the T3.
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Yes, you have a gut and thyroid problem — and, a thyroid problem is a liver problem.
All the gut cleansers: carrot salad; well boiled blended white mushrooms; antibiotics like penicillin VK and the tetracycline classes, all help.
how long did you take cascara sagrada? Was it well aged dark brown? That one is very underrated, and it may take time to notice a positive effect. I emphasize it because of its multitude of benefits listed here:
https://www.saturee.com.au/blogs/blog-posts/cascaraHypothyroidism absolutely slows transit time and contributes to bacterial overgrowth. poor liver metabolism absolutely contributes to digestion.
Aspirin, niacinamide, glycine, gelatin, cyproheptadine, will help heal the liver and improve mitochondrial respiration/general metabolism. Aspirin and glycine, and gelatin, as well as B vitamins thiamine and niacinamide, will help heal digestive tract. All these tools help move the dial toward thyroid supplementation being safer…
T3 also helps heal liver function and improve bowel movement. You can start really low on T3, like 1mcg every hour or 2. It’s more a risk to take hormonal supplements like progesterone or dhea.
It’s of course all case by case, but if you were making consistent effort with the above digestive improvements, you should be able to begin thyroid within weeks imo.
Utilizing an easy to digest sugar carb source, like juice, will be better in this state than more complex starches or whole fruits/vegetables. Lower protein may be helpful too. The glucose loading protocol is simply maintaining an easily digestible carb for a super compromised gut. Lower fructose foods should be fine, like maple syrup, pineapples, raspberries, cranberries. One starch exception would be sushi rice if you can tolerate it, it has almost no fermentable starch and converts into glucose quickly.
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@LetTheRedeemed The cascara I took was from iHerb.. probably not the best quality so definitely not aged dark brown I guess. I only ever take it when I am really backed up. It gives me stomach cramps but then relieves the constipation. If I take it multiple days in a row it seems to just give me cramps and not help the digestion anymore idk why.
To what point would I need to fix my digestion to be able to safely start T3? Consistently one bowel movement a day? Two bowel movements a day?
I dont have glycine atm, would collagen powder and broth me enough?
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@lulueatsmeat try lowering the cascara until you can take it - even if that's like an 1/8th of a teaspoon. I started out there or lower. even if you can only do a pinch, that'll do something to move the dial.
I think it's fine to experiment with t3 now if you have it - start at a really low dose, like 1 mcg.
sure, anything you have for gelatin. you can over do collagen pretty quickly, so be mindful of dosage. it's a free-peptide, not the whole proteins found in gelatin.
you can get glycine at healthfood stores if you have one near you.
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@lulueatsmeat I would caution against the repeated use of thyroid if any type without knowing if your cholesterol level is too low, or not being maintained. Thyroid will use up LDL cholesterol and vitamin A for steroid production and low cholesterol levels pose a risk for cancer. Cholesterol levels can be boosted with sugar, dairy fat, coconut fat, vitamin A, and vitamin D by a variety of mechanisms. As I understand it Peat recommended having total cholesterol go no lower than 160, and that starting from TC 200, thyroid tends to bring it down to 160, with the caveat that thyroid supplementation can sometimes bring TC up if cholesterol is deficient.
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@LetTheRedeemed I’d like to second this — no reason to wait for digestion to be perfect before trying T3 out. The worst slow digestion can do is render the T3 ineffective as I understand it
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@vocedilegno aye, and I second as well, needing cholesterol high enough! that's one of the big hidden pitfalls of thyroid supplementation. I went on an emotional rollercoaster taking thyroid with cholesterol too low. And, all your suggestions are spot on for cholesterol - Ray and Danny both found sugary foods keeping cholesterol stably high better than dietary cholesterol itself. Many people have also commented in the old forum that at least an egg and some dairy fat in a few meals, on top of consistent sugar intake was the final jump they needed to get cholesterol high enough
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@LetTheRedeemed love it!!
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@lulueatsmeat try kefir as probiotic. acne maybe sibo
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@LetTheRedeemed Thats good to know thanks! Maybe Ill get a blood test before trying T3 just to be safe, I eat eggs in butter pretty much everyday and lots of sugar of course so I think Ill be alright.
Im on vacation rn so Im doing my best at keeping my digestion and metabolism up with aspirin and baking soda..
I also have cascara with me and will try to take a lower dose (maybe without the capsule some said it could be irritating) and see how i react
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@lulueatsmeat cool.
Yeah, if you're taking any amount that was in a capsule form, that could definitely be too much for most people! I worked my way up from about a large drop size I wanna say.
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Thyroid.
