Mice fed a 0% protein diet for a week lost nearly 20% of their body mass
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@Jennifer Hm thank you for sharing your experience. As you know from our conversations I also did not fare well on a low-protein fruitarian diet. However I feel like its unfair to blame it all on protein in my case. The diet was deficient in so many nutrients including fat solubles, zinc, selenium, B vitamins etc. I was able to completely reverse most the damage i did on that diet by eating lots of full fat dairy. Milk, cheese, and ice cream made up the majority of what i ate. I did put on some weight in this process but I was very underweight before then (105 lbs at my lowest) as a 5"10 adult male. Now im experimenting again with lower protein intake (55-60g) by replacing the milk/cheese with cream and having one protein based meal a day featuring yogurt and eggs. I feel good so far and have noticed no negative effects. My temps and pulse are quite stable as well. How are your temps now that you are trying lower protein?
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@Sugarnotsnow, oh my. 105 at 5’10”? I’m so glad you changed course when you did. I can’t remember if you mentioned your caloric intake while on the fruitarian diet? I consumed so many calories that the only nutrients my diet was low in were protein and vitamin D. I sunbathed for D, but I still ended up deficient. My midday temp is lower now, but it’s still normal—98.6° fruit-based vs 99° dairy-based—however, my pulse dropped significantly—from an average of 85 while dairy-based to as low as 50 while fruit-based. It’s currently holding at 70. It wasn’t a conscious decision on my part to lower my protein intake. I lost my appetite a little over 2 months ago and the easiest things for me to get down have been nice cream and juice, but I’ve been forcing myself to have a meal of eggs in the evening just so that I get some animal protein and salt.
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@Jennifer At first transitioning to fruitarian I was likely eating 2k calories or less which is how I lost so much weight. Towards the end of my vegan run however I attempted to see if I could gain weight back while remaining fruitarian. I was eating upwards of 10k calories of mostly fruit juice and still couldn't gain much weight. You can probably imagine how difficult it is to get that much calories of fruit alone. I feel like this is sort of proof that CICO isn't as simple as they make it seem. Maybe your loss in appetite was a sign that your thyroid health was already beginning to suffer? I know when I was at my lowest health and energy wise I also had very little appetite
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@Sugarnotsnow, 10k calories of mostly juice must have been really expensive, huh? But yep, CICO isn’t as simple as they make it seem. Thyroid function alone will determine the rate of evaporation/metabolic rate. I do think my loss of appetite was a sign that my thyroid was beginning to suffer, since it happens every time.
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@Jennifer Yea and a LOT of juicing
I couldnt tolerate store bought juice so i was juicing multiple lbs of oranges, grapes, and melons every day just to get enoughThe earth speaks to us all, Just listen
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@Sugarnotsnow, yeah that! For my SIBO elimination diet, I juiced 14 lb of honeydew flesh daily with a Vitamix. I used a coffee filter to remove as much fiber as possible because it fed the overgrowth so it took me over 2 hours to juice. That was an expensive diet. For one day’s worth, the melon cost $30, a pound of scallops and crab cost $25, and along with a few miscellaneous foods like coconut oil, I was spending $400 a week on groceries.
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@Jennifer Haha i can totally relate. I never had to manually filter the juice. But the juicing and peeling process itself took upwards of 2 hours as well. And two of my juicers broke from actively using them at hours on end every single day lol
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@Sugarnotsnow, if only we had the Nama J2 back then.
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Well considering he died…. I do think we know how he would fare on a low protein diet lol.
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There are some studies saying that uncoupling protects the muscles, so I imagine it's something related. I think it's common knowledge that DNP seems to preserve a lot of muscle mass even if you lose a lot of weight (compared to fat loss with ozempic for example). When protein is restricted there is an increase in T3, uncoupling, brown fat... So this could be one of the reasons, but I don't know if it would preserve it for long
Low protein has twice as much t3
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@TexugoDoMel Sugar also has a muscle and protein preserving effect. So if one were fed a high carb-low protein diet this could be a protective factor.
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@Jennifer I still dont have one
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@RawGoatMilk88 I doubt the low-protein experiment caused his death. If anything it couldve been an attempt to cure whatever health condition he was already dealing with which lead to his death.
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Certainly didn’t help.
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@RawGoatMilk88 Yeah but if he was still young and healthy and didnt have an underlying condition he may have fared well, if not possibly better than a higher protein diet. I think thats what Jennifer was getting at atleast.
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@RawGoatMilk88 said in Mice fed a 0% protein diet for a week lost nearly 20% of their body mass:
Well considering he died…. I do think we know how he would fare on a low protein diet lol.
What Serotoninskeptic said. For all I know, Ray was motivated to experiment with low methionine because his health was failing and no intervention he tried was going to extend his life.
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@Serotoninskeptic said in Mice fed a 0% protein diet for a week lost nearly 20% of their body mass:
@Jennifer I still dont have one
Neither do I. I was going to buy it, but I can’t see spending $550 on a juicer when I can get fresh-pressed cider for $8 a gallon. I did the math and it would cost me around $12 to juice a gallon’s worth of apples.
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@Jennifer Yess im so glad fresh unpasteurized apple cider is back at my farmer's market
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@Serotoninskeptic, nice! The one I get is pasteurized, but it’s available year round and I like my cider heated up anyway with some cinnamon and vanilla bean.
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@Jennifer That reminds me. When i was fruit-based and I first found your posts on RPF, i tried out the warm cider recipe and loved it. I started drinking it every day lol
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